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The point is that between the UK and Ireland there is a CTA, common travel agreement. Yes there is, and it has existed since long before the EU or its predeces
by Silhouette 8y ago
The point is that between the UK and Ireland there is a CTA, common travel agreement.
Yes there is, and it has existed since long before the EU or its predecessors existed.
This means frictionless border crossing between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
No, it means that citizens from either side are allowed to cross the border by default. Production of some basic ID documents may still be required. Checks may still be (and sometimes are) carried out. And the whole thing is based on essentially a long-standing gentleman's agreement and explicitly does not create binding legal obligations.
In short, the CTA does not require a completely frictionless border and never has. Indeed, that could not possibly be its effect, because its provisions only cover British and Irish citizens.
If the UK leaves the EU then goods from the UK cannot just be moved into the Republic of Ireland if there is no join customs agreement.
It's a lot more complicated than that, but yes, the existing provisions for moving goods across the border are governed by EU mechanisms, including the Customs Union and Single Market.
So now you have to introduce a hard border with the RoI which goes against the Good Friday Agreement.
And at this point I ask you much the same question that I have asked others in this discussion:
What specifically constitutes the "hard border" that is required, and in what specific way(s) do any associated processes or infrastructure contradict the GFA?
If you don't understand the relevance of the GFA then you should read up further on or and the Troubles that preceded it.
Please don't be patronising. It is both rude and unconstructive. The GFA is widely cited by advocates on one side of the Brexit debate as some form of barrier to some possible outcomes, yet it appears that many of those people haven't actually read it and think it says things that it doesn't. It is not unreasonable, when someone introduces it as a new factor in a discussion that was previously about matters of sovereignty, to seek clarification about why they think it is relevant and whether their arguments have any more substance than a lot of the other ones we see referring to the GFA.
- celticninja 8y agoThe EU membership predates the GFA too. The GFA was able to be out in place in part thanks to the existence of both the CTA and the EU. Do you think that if it worked the way you thought it did, there would be such a furore over the situation? I'm not saying UK MPs are the smartest bunch of people but if Brexit would leave the GFA untouched then surely they would have worked that out by now. Perhaps you are wrong.
- Silhouette 8y agoMy honest opinion is that the NI/Ireland border is an important issue, and the GFA is an important agreement, but they are not the only important issue and the only important agreement. I think Brexit is a divisive issue, and as a matter of political convenience a certain part of the political world and the public have latched onto the Irish border issue to the exclusion of almost all other considerations, with the effect that the tail has been wagging the dog. And I think this has closed minds and has adversely affected the negotiations and will ultimately result in worse outcomes for all parties, perhaps most of all those living and working near the NI/Ireland border. I find all of this deeply regrettable.
- celticninja 8y agoIt's a shit show that's sure.