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Blood oil, another reason to get off our hydrocarbon addiction. Without the constant influx of cash, having lost all their mighty power, it will be child’s play

by eecc 8y ago

Blood oil, another reason to get off our hydrocarbon addiction. Without the constant influx of cash, having lost all their mighty power, it will be child’s play to neutralize these sickos and eradicate their morbid culture. (Which, just to be 100% clear, is the specific, very narrowly defined pastoral clan culture of the region.)

lotsofpulp 8y ago
It’s blood oil because the US/UK want it to be. It’s beneficial for the west to have a small tribe control the natural resources than a democracy, which might be more difficult to “deal” with.
tossaccount123 8y ago
US actually produces the most oil of any country now. I'd like to see someone do the math and see if it would be cheaper to leave the middle east and save money on wars and just subsidize our own oil production to make up the difference for any price increase consumers might see. Of course that won't happen because war is a industry now What's also amazing to me is seeing this culture defended by the left, when if most muslims were given power in Europe they would strip away most rights for women and homosexuals that the left also fought for
- robinduckett 8y ago
  > What's also amazing to me is seeing this culture defended by the left, when if most muslims were given power in Europe they would strip away most rights for women and homosexuals that the left also fought for This is absolute horseshit and if you truly believe this then you are sorely mistaken.
- mrguyorama 8y ago
  >What's also amazing to me is seeing this culture defended by the left You're going to need a citation for that. Projecting such a large claim against such a large heterogeneous blob of people with absolutely zero evidence to back it up should not be acceptable on HN
  - LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
    They do that for example, by disolving a claim with intelectual dishonesty, expecting effort of proof for a group that shows - beside cheap words - near zero effort to back away from bad actors and bad principles/traditions. Like if I where to claim that not all facism is racistic, because facism was historically a very heterogenous blob of people with absolutly zero evidence to back up that they all where as racistic as the nazis. Then i would be wrong. To some ideologies, there is no right to repair, because the basic concept subverts human rights and democracy.
  - crowdpleaser 8y ago
    Were you watching TV when Trump instituted the 'Muslim Ban'? Every good thinker tripped over themselves to (mis)characterize it as such and defend Islam. Look at the party affiliation of all the pro-Hamas, pro-Palestine, pro-hijab, pro-middle east migration politician in America. Just the other day a Muslim Democratic Congressperson from Minnesota compared Israel's treatment of Muslims to the South's treatment of blacks under slavery. By the way when she was a state representative, she helped defeat legislation that banned female circumcision and to my knowledge she's never condemned the practice. Not every American leftist defends retrograde Muslim culture, but the only people in America who defend retrograde Muslim culture are leftists.
    - rhcom2 8y ago
      That just isn't true. Ilhan Omar voted for it and it died in the state Senate and she specifically condemned the practice. http://checkyourfact.com/2018/11/29/fact-check-ilhan-omar-vote-female-genital-mutilation-felony/ http://checkyourfact.com/2018/11/29/fact-check-ilhan-omar-vo...
      - crowdpleaser 8y ago
        Fair enough, I was misinformed. However, which party was in control of the senate that failed to pass the bill? If you can take my word for it - it was Minnesota's democratic party.
- LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
  I sometimes think, there is some deep supressed longing for dominance in the extreme left, if you look at what they choose to follow given a choice. Its always the most brutal dictator (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot), the most Macho of Men (Che Guevarra etc.) - its like the moment someone speaks the right left words- all thoughts on ideology are forgotten and the most primal of instincts may reign as free as they do, cherished on the extreme right wing.
  - protonfish 8y ago
    I like to think both parties are extreme authoritarian, just different flavors - paternal vs. maternal. Dominance and submission are two sides of the same dysfunctional coin.
  - dang 8y ago
    Please don't use HN for ideological battle. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- deogeo 8y ago
  > if it would be cheaper to leave the middle east and save money on wars Cheaper for the US as a whole perhaps (even probably), but the military-industrial complex would make less money.
- dang 8y ago
  It looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's against both the rules and spirit of this site, and we ban accounts that do it, so would you please stop doing it? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
cryptonector 8y ago
Or to push for higher oil production outside the Middle East. The U.S. is now the world's largest oil producer in the world, and has room to expand a fair bit. If we can get Venezuela's production to recover (note: that's not code for an invasion)... And if we can get oil fields all over, outside the ME, developed, then the ME's share of the oil market will dive.
- yellowapple 8y ago
  "If we can get Venezuela's production to recover (note: that's not code for an invasion)..." Too late; I can hear the drones taking off already.

by eecc 8y ago

lotsofpulp 8y ago

It’s blood oil because the US/UK want it to be. It’s beneficial for the west to have a small tribe control the natural resources than a democracy, which might be more difficult to “deal” with.

tossaccount123 8y ago

US actually produces the most oil of any country now. I'd like to see someone do the math and see if it would be cheaper to leave the middle east and save money on wars and just subsidize our own oil production to make up the difference for any price increase consumers might see. Of course that won't happen because war is a industry now What's also amazing to me is seeing this culture defended by the left, when if most muslims were given power in Europe they would strip away most rights for women and homosexuals that the left also fought for

robinduckett 8y ago
> What's also amazing to me is seeing this culture defended by the left, when if most muslims were given power in Europe they would strip away most rights for women and homosexuals that the left also fought for This is absolute horseshit and if you truly believe this then you are sorely mistaken.
mrguyorama 8y ago
>What's also amazing to me is seeing this culture defended by the left You're going to need a citation for that. Projecting such a large claim against such a large heterogeneous blob of people with absolutely zero evidence to back it up should not be acceptable on HN
- LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
  They do that for example, by disolving a claim with intelectual dishonesty, expecting effort of proof for a group that shows - beside cheap words - near zero effort to back away from bad actors and bad principles/traditions. Like if I where to claim that not all facism is racistic, because facism was historically a very heterogenous blob of people with absolutly zero evidence to back up that they all where as racistic as the nazis. Then i would be wrong. To some ideologies, there is no right to repair, because the basic concept subverts human rights and democracy.
- crowdpleaser 8y ago
  Were you watching TV when Trump instituted the 'Muslim Ban'? Every good thinker tripped over themselves to (mis)characterize it as such and defend Islam. Look at the party affiliation of all the pro-Hamas, pro-Palestine, pro-hijab, pro-middle east migration politician in America. Just the other day a Muslim Democratic Congressperson from Minnesota compared Israel's treatment of Muslims to the South's treatment of blacks under slavery. By the way when she was a state representative, she helped defeat legislation that banned female circumcision and to my knowledge she's never condemned the practice. Not every American leftist defends retrograde Muslim culture, but the only people in America who defend retrograde Muslim culture are leftists.
  - rhcom2 8y ago
    That just isn't true. Ilhan Omar voted for it and it died in the state Senate and she specifically condemned the practice. http://checkyourfact.com/2018/11/29/fact-check-ilhan-omar-vote-female-genital-mutilation-felony/ http://checkyourfact.com/2018/11/29/fact-check-ilhan-omar-vo...
    - crowdpleaser 8y ago
      Fair enough, I was misinformed. However, which party was in control of the senate that failed to pass the bill? If you can take my word for it - it was Minnesota's democratic party.
LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
I sometimes think, there is some deep supressed longing for dominance in the extreme left, if you look at what they choose to follow given a choice. Its always the most brutal dictator (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot), the most Macho of Men (Che Guevarra etc.) - its like the moment someone speaks the right left words- all thoughts on ideology are forgotten and the most primal of instincts may reign as free as they do, cherished on the extreme right wing.
- protonfish 8y ago
  I like to think both parties are extreme authoritarian, just different flavors - paternal vs. maternal. Dominance and submission are two sides of the same dysfunctional coin.
- dang 8y ago
  Please don't use HN for ideological battle. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
deogeo 8y ago
> if it would be cheaper to leave the middle east and save money on wars Cheaper for the US as a whole perhaps (even probably), but the military-industrial complex would make less money.
dang 8y ago
It looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's against both the rules and spirit of this site, and we ban accounts that do it, so would you please stop doing it? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

cryptonector 8y ago

Or to push for higher oil production outside the Middle East. The U.S. is now the world's largest oil producer in the world, and has room to expand a fair bit. If we can get Venezuela's production to recover (note: that's not code for an invasion)... And if we can get oil fields all over, outside the ME, developed, then the ME's share of the oil market will dive.

yellowapple 8y ago
"If we can get Venezuela's production to recover (note: that's not code for an invasion)..." Too late; I can hear the drones taking off already.