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your list just show the yearly churn of the news-repost industry (i.e. companies that have zero investigative journalism, needs fresh people to get fresh news s

by gcb0 8y ago

your list just show the yearly churn of the news-repost industry (i.e. companies that have zero investigative journalism, needs fresh people to get fresh news sources to repost) vice (not the site) and buzzfeed news (not regular buzzfeed) are a new beatst in the news industry. they sell tailored pieces (pretty much an improved model that wired used to reborn in the 2000s). for example vice got a huge account promoting gun hobby. go to their YouTube channel and you will see half of their documentaries are touting the fun of owning guns. the site now only exists as a payment hub for those documentaries. buzzfeed (and Verizon media) tried the same but are moving much slower (but you wait when an election is around the corner, you will hear a lot from those)

52-6F-62 8y ago
Can you back this up? Vice has put out some surprisingly good field journalism pieces. And Buzzfeed News has produced Pulizter-nominated journalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo "VICE: The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia" https://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/staff-buzzfeed-news https://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/staff-buzzfeed-news
- gcb0 8y ago
  yes just like every car company has a sports cars but make most money on minivans. not saying there's no good content now and then
tru3_power 8y ago
Sorry I’m a little confused- are you basically saying Vice will tailor make you a edgy documentary about whatever you want if you pay them enough?
- airstrike 8y ago
  Citation needed
- gcb0 8y ago
  just like most news outlet ever worked. sometimes you get it even from cheap favors like a couple plane tickets so their staff can attend your grand opening. other times you have to talk to their ad seller and say "gee! I wonder if you have a piece with this sentiment on this topic I could drop this million dollar advertising budget." and everything in between.
danso 8y ago
All 4 of those outlets that were mentioned to investigative journalism. TechCrunch (owned by the same company as HuffPo) was prominently on HN's homepage this past couple of days because of this investigation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19031055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19031055
dwater 8y ago
Browsing their channel, I was unable to find any videos that appear to promote gun ownership. The only videos that prominently featured guns appeared to be neutral to negative on guns, and mostly not in America. https://www.youtube.com/user/vice/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/vice/videos
nabla9 8y ago
Buzzfeed started with clickbait trash, then hired investigative journalists to do some good journalism and winning awards (two time Pulizer finalist) Now they are cutting people from the low effort side but keeping the investigative journalism intact. It's interesting business model. Produce cheap trash in large volumes to people who consume it and to do little real journalism on side. It really confuses people because the Buzzfeed brand image is schizophrenic. It's both news & bullshit.
- fjp 8y ago
  Buzzfeed cut their whole national security desk. Doesn't seem consistent that the claim that they're "cutting people from the low effort side". Of course, I wish they were only cutting out clickbait trash, but alas the advertisement machine must be fed.
  - nabla9 8y ago
    Investigations teams and politics were left alone.

by gcb0 8y ago

52-6F-62 8y ago

Can you back this up? Vice has put out some surprisingly good field journalism pieces. And Buzzfeed News has produced Pulizter-nominated journalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo "VICE: The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia" https://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/staff-buzzfeed-news https://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/staff-buzzfeed-news

gcb0 8y ago
yes just like every car company has a sports cars but make most money on minivans. not saying there's no good content now and then

tru3_power 8y ago

Sorry I’m a little confused- are you basically saying Vice will tailor make you a edgy documentary about whatever you want if you pay them enough?

airstrike 8y ago
Citation needed
gcb0 8y ago
just like most news outlet ever worked. sometimes you get it even from cheap favors like a couple plane tickets so their staff can attend your grand opening. other times you have to talk to their ad seller and say "gee! I wonder if you have a piece with this sentiment on this topic I could drop this million dollar advertising budget." and everything in between.

danso 8y ago

All 4 of those outlets that were mentioned to investigative journalism. TechCrunch (owned by the same company as HuffPo) was prominently on HN's homepage this past couple of days because of this investigation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19031055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19031055

dwater 8y ago

Browsing their channel, I was unable to find any videos that appear to promote gun ownership. The only videos that prominently featured guns appeared to be neutral to negative on guns, and mostly not in America. https://www.youtube.com/user/vice/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/vice/videos

nabla9 8y ago

Buzzfeed started with clickbait trash, then hired investigative journalists to do some good journalism and winning awards (two time Pulizer finalist) Now they are cutting people from the low effort side but keeping the investigative journalism intact. It's interesting business model. Produce cheap trash in large volumes to people who consume it and to do little real journalism on side. It really confuses people because the Buzzfeed brand image is schizophrenic. It's both news & bullshit.

fjp 8y ago
Buzzfeed cut their whole national security desk. Doesn't seem consistent that the claim that they're "cutting people from the low effort side". Of course, I wish they were only cutting out clickbait trash, but alas the advertisement machine must be fed.
- nabla9 8y ago
  Investigations teams and politics were left alone.