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> People just accept it here because they fear anything better might attract the normies. I disagree. Even if HN had the best API you've ever seen in your life

> People just accept it here because they fear anything better might attract the normies. I disagree. Even if HN had the best API you've ever seen in your life, what difference would it make? The product here is all about function, not form. > If Hacker News was submitted to Hacker News it would be ridiculed for many of the reasons it otherwise gets praised for - the archaic layout, poor typography, inconsistent navigation, lack of features, and especially having a badly designed API. This says more about the audience then it does the product. At a certain point, criticism stops being useful and just becomes a way to flex a superiority muscle. Again, what would making hacker news "prettier" accomplish?

krapp 8y ago
>The product here is all about function, not form. Why do you believe a better designed API would not be about function over form? Was the bug that caused links to "time out" if you didn't click on them fast enough also a preference for function over form? Is being able to change the color of the top banner function, not form? Are the colors chosen for the site function, not form? Are folding threads or reversible votes or vouching form over function? No, the product here is as much about form as function. The design of Hacker News is as aesthetic expression. It's meant to be appealing and attractive to a certain demographic, what PG considered a "good hacker." The site would function better with an updated layout. It would load faster without complex, nested tables, and it would work better on mobile. It would be more readable with better typography, and more usable with features like new comment prompts. People don't want that, not because they wouldn't be a functional improvement, but because they believe such things would violate the site's anti-modernist aesthetic, and people don't want Hacker News to look and feel like a modern forum. Viewing anything but the status quo as mere cosmetics, as if the site in its current state had somehow already achieved perfection, is a preference for form over function.
- ninedays 8y ago
  There is a famous saying : "Design is not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works." https://www.inspiware.com/design-is-how-it-works-steve-jobs/ https://www.inspiware.com/design-is-how-it-works-steve-jobs/
  - krapp 8y ago
    Fair enough, but tell that to everyone who dismisses design as eye-candy and frivolous nonsense whenever someone complains about it.

krapp 8y ago

>The product here is all about function, not form. Why do you believe a better designed API would not be about function over form? Was the bug that caused links to "time out" if you didn't click on them fast enough also a preference for function over form? Is being able to change the color of the top banner function, not form? Are the colors chosen for the site function, not form? Are folding threads or reversible votes or vouching form over function? No, the product here is as much about form as function. The design of Hacker News is as aesthetic expression. It's meant to be appealing and attractive to a certain demographic, what PG considered a "good hacker." The site would function better with an updated layout. It would load faster without complex, nested tables, and it would work better on mobile. It would be more readable with better typography, and more usable with features like new comment prompts. People don't want that, not because they wouldn't be a functional improvement, but because they believe such things would violate the site's anti-modernist aesthetic, and people don't want Hacker News to look and feel like a modern forum. Viewing anything but the status quo as mere cosmetics, as if the site in its current state had somehow already achieved perfection, is a preference for form over function.

ninedays 8y ago
There is a famous saying : "Design is not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works." https://www.inspiware.com/design-is-how-it-works-steve-jobs/ https://www.inspiware.com/design-is-how-it-works-steve-jobs/
- krapp 8y ago
  Fair enough, but tell that to everyone who dismisses design as eye-candy and frivolous nonsense whenever someone complains about it.