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To be honest as a French, I don't mind everyone talking about "comics" when referring to French and Belgian graphic novels. It might not capture all the depth

To be honest as a French, I don't mind everyone talking about "comics" when referring to French and Belgian graphic novels. It might not capture all the depth of what it really is but at least everyone understands.

agumonkey 8y ago
They both started as comic strips, but now comics mostly means DC / Marvel from the US culture, while in Europe, Franco Belgian went into another flave of comics, and the name B.D.
- webmobdev 8y ago
  In India, my generation grew up on Tintin, Asterix, Archie comics, Phantom, Mandrake, Superman, Spiderman etc. and local indian comics dealing with Indian freedom fighters and leaders and indian mythology. Somehow I still prefer those kind of comics and korean / japanese comics than those by DC / Marvel (they look technically marvellous, with their computer graphics, but still pale compared to the non-US ones).
  - agumonkey 8y ago
    Didn't know european comics were famous in India. Cool. Also never seen an Indian comics. It's interesting to see how US evolved very different from European. Tiny anecdote, France was quite aware of US comics (including Disney) and I read that there was some anti US reactions to this. Some magazines started as an effort to make more french stories (leftist, ecology). See PIF Magazine, which was funded by the French Communist Party (no joke). Even Asterix is said to be influenced a bit by US super heroes, hence the magic potion giving super powers. The style and humor was different though.
    - bunderbunder 8y ago
      I'm curious, has the US exported much of its non-Disney, non-superhero comics? There's quite a bit more to American comics than that stuff.
      - agumonkey 8y ago
        I'm not very knowledgeable, I'm an 80s kid.. so US comics === super hero (also movies to an extent, Donner's Superman was a massive event, Robocop, TMNT ..). So my answer would be .. no. US comics = Disney + Marvel + DC. I actually struggle to remember anything else. I'd be happy to know more though..
        bunderbunder 8y ago
        Anything by Strangers in Paradise, Bone, Frank, anything by Art Spiegelman, anything by R. Crumb, I'm not sure if the US gets to claim Neil Gaiman or not, The Walking Dead, Ghost World, Love and Rockets, Johnny the Homicidal Maniac. . .
        agumonkey 8y ago
        Be a little more specific for Bone and Frank, I'm not sure if these are authors or characters. Also, I had no idea Ghost World was a comic, neither The Walking Dead.. Oh and lastly, not comic per se, but cartoons were a staple of US drawing culture. WB, toons, even the simpsons to an extent.
        bunderbunder 8y ago
        Bone is a series by Jeff Smith. It's a good one for kids - sort of an epic light fantasy. Frank is by Jim Woodring. It's hard to describe.
        agumonkey 8y ago
        Aight, for a reason I was confused by Frank as in Frank Herbert .. Frank does look odd.
      - Bayart 8y ago
        Some titles have been popular due to tying into some trendy stuff (The Walking Dead), but really anything other than Disney comics (which are actually largely European) is invisible. It's funny how Don Rosa is a classic master here and Americans don;t even know the guy.
    - webmobdev 8y ago
      > Also never seen an Indian comics. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=amar+chithra+katha https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3...
bunderbunder 8y ago
It encompasses the same breadth, it just reflects a different etymology. "Comics" invokes how, in the US, the form was originally popularized by newspaper funnies. But the word isn't understood to imply that comics need to be about comedy anymore. If we're just focusing on the modern meanings, I'd say the two are about as close to perfect translations of each other as you could ask for.
webmobdev 8y ago
Do French and Belgian comics / comic artists share some relationship? (Or did you just pull that out randomly because of "Asterix & Obelix" and Tintin? :).
- simias 8y ago
  There's a lot of mutual influence between French and Belgian comics. Both Pilote and Spirou Magazine featured comics from either origin for instance. They're usually considered to be the same genre (at least in France).
- m_t 8y ago
  Franco Belgian is a specific style. It's been a very close relationship between France and Belgium: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Belgian_comics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Belgian_comics
  - webmobdev 8y ago
    That's interesting! On a slight tangent - So did both Tintin and Asterix start out as "strip comics" leading to their popularity?
    - m_t 8y ago
      I can't say for Astérix. For Hergé, the author of Tintin, he did start his career by doing publication in newspapers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herg%C3%A9#Totor_and_early_career:_1925%E2%80%9328 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herg%C3%A9#Totor_and_early_car... It's quite interesting to observe then all the changes that happened between the multiple publication of the same story: https://tintinomania.com/tintin-dans-ses-cases https://tintinomania.com/tintin-dans-ses-cases
- kgwgk 8y ago
  They are written in French and have the same market.

agumonkey 8y ago

They both started as comic strips, but now comics mostly means DC / Marvel from the US culture, while in Europe, Franco Belgian went into another flave of comics, and the name B.D.

webmobdev 8y ago
In India, my generation grew up on Tintin, Asterix, Archie comics, Phantom, Mandrake, Superman, Spiderman etc. and local indian comics dealing with Indian freedom fighters and leaders and indian mythology. Somehow I still prefer those kind of comics and korean / japanese comics than those by DC / Marvel (they look technically marvellous, with their computer graphics, but still pale compared to the non-US ones).
- agumonkey 8y ago
  Didn't know european comics were famous in India. Cool. Also never seen an Indian comics. It's interesting to see how US evolved very different from European. Tiny anecdote, France was quite aware of US comics (including Disney) and I read that there was some anti US reactions to this. Some magazines started as an effort to make more french stories (leftist, ecology). See PIF Magazine, which was funded by the French Communist Party (no joke). Even Asterix is said to be influenced a bit by US super heroes, hence the magic potion giving super powers. The style and humor was different though.
  - bunderbunder 8y ago
    I'm curious, has the US exported much of its non-Disney, non-superhero comics? There's quite a bit more to American comics than that stuff.
    - agumonkey 8y ago
      I'm not very knowledgeable, I'm an 80s kid.. so US comics === super hero (also movies to an extent, Donner's Superman was a massive event, Robocop, TMNT ..). So my answer would be .. no. US comics = Disney + Marvel + DC. I actually struggle to remember anything else. I'd be happy to know more though..
      - bunderbunder 8y ago
        Anything by Strangers in Paradise, Bone, Frank, anything by Art Spiegelman, anything by R. Crumb, I'm not sure if the US gets to claim Neil Gaiman or not, The Walking Dead, Ghost World, Love and Rockets, Johnny the Homicidal Maniac. . .
        agumonkey 8y ago
        Be a little more specific for Bone and Frank, I'm not sure if these are authors or characters. Also, I had no idea Ghost World was a comic, neither The Walking Dead.. Oh and lastly, not comic per se, but cartoons were a staple of US drawing culture. WB, toons, even the simpsons to an extent.
        bunderbunder 8y ago
        Bone is a series by Jeff Smith. It's a good one for kids - sort of an epic light fantasy. Frank is by Jim Woodring. It's hard to describe.
        agumonkey 8y ago
        Aight, for a reason I was confused by Frank as in Frank Herbert .. Frank does look odd.
    - Bayart 8y ago
      Some titles have been popular due to tying into some trendy stuff (The Walking Dead), but really anything other than Disney comics (which are actually largely European) is invisible. It's funny how Don Rosa is a classic master here and Americans don;t even know the guy.
  - webmobdev 8y ago
    > Also never seen an Indian comics. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=amar+chithra+katha https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3...

bunderbunder 8y ago

It encompasses the same breadth, it just reflects a different etymology. "Comics" invokes how, in the US, the form was originally popularized by newspaper funnies. But the word isn't understood to imply that comics need to be about comedy anymore. If we're just focusing on the modern meanings, I'd say the two are about as close to perfect translations of each other as you could ask for.

webmobdev 8y ago

Do French and Belgian comics / comic artists share some relationship? (Or did you just pull that out randomly because of "Asterix & Obelix" and Tintin? :).

simias 8y ago
There's a lot of mutual influence between French and Belgian comics. Both Pilote and Spirou Magazine featured comics from either origin for instance. They're usually considered to be the same genre (at least in France).
m_t 8y ago
Franco Belgian is a specific style. It's been a very close relationship between France and Belgium: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Belgian_comics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Belgian_comics
- webmobdev 8y ago
  That's interesting! On a slight tangent - So did both Tintin and Asterix start out as "strip comics" leading to their popularity?
  - m_t 8y ago
    I can't say for Astérix. For Hergé, the author of Tintin, he did start his career by doing publication in newspapers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herg%C3%A9#Totor_and_early_career:_1925%E2%80%9328 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herg%C3%A9#Totor_and_early_car... It's quite interesting to observe then all the changes that happened between the multiple publication of the same story: https://tintinomania.com/tintin-dans-ses-cases https://tintinomania.com/tintin-dans-ses-cases
kgwgk 8y ago
They are written in French and have the same market.