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If the justice system were perfect, and people actually received their due punishments, then societal stigma wouldn't need to exist. Judgment from the Court of
by intertextuality 8y ago
If the justice system were perfect, and people actually received their due punishments, then societal stigma wouldn't need to exist.
Judgment from the Court of Public Opinion theoretically shouldn't exist but many people get away with things that they shouldn't. Especially wealthy and famous individuals who can have things swept under the rug. So, yes, people take it on themselves instead to call people names, and yes it gets abused.
- kstenerud 8y agoCalling people names is one thing. But when you have the collective power to turn people into such pariahs that they can't even get a job anymore, you're playing with a very dangerous, and readily abuseable power. And unfortunately, this is how it always goes. A group, heady on their newfound power, decides to take it a little further, and then a little further, dialing back the threshold to provoke their righteous fury. And this is why anti-vigilante laws exist.
- SolaceQuantum 8y agoSorry, I’m on mobile so I may not be reading the thread correctly, but is the logic here that there needs to be laws against public backlash to admitting sexually assaulting people (louis ck)? Edit: what I took literally here is that if you knew someone admitted to sexually assaulting their direct reports within the past year or two, and you didn’t hire them, you are personally on the hook unless you can prove you didn’t hire them for another reason?
- kstenerud 8y agoNo. What I'm referring to is systematic pressure brought to bear upon organizations such that they are afraid to hire someone who has been designated a pariah (for whatever reason). In a tangentially related issue, as I've stated before, there is a definite problem in America with regards to ex felons who are treated like second class citizens for the rest of their lives. But that's a more complicated social attitudinal problem to solve.
- SolaceQuantum 8y agoRight, but in this case we're talking about louis CK, not a felon, recieved no jail time for sexually assaulting people. Should the origanizations who did not hire him be charged? Should it be illegal to crow 'how dare XXX company hire lous CK' on Twitter or the general blogosphere? I'm trying to understand your exact point that there should be laws against this phenomenon where someone has been designated a pariah. Who should be punished, and for what behaviors should they be punished for, and what is the appropriate punishment for it?
- SamReidHughes 8y agoLouis C.K. didn't admit to, and wasn't accused of, sexually assaulting anybody.
- intertextuality 8y agoI mean, I completely agree with you. However, clearly a large part of society does not. In order to fix this, we first need to address the sweeping issues within our justice system. Until then, the societal stigma game will continue at an unrelenting pace.
- StavrosK 8y agoOr it's the societal stigma that is wrong.
- SolaceQuantum 8y agoPerhaps you and some others who agree with you can create a platform or organization for de stigmatizing the thing you feel the stigma is wrong for?
- StavrosK 8y agoFor now, I am content pointing out errors in reasoning online, thank you.