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Do these alt-media companies have accredited journalists, held to objective professional and ethical standards laid out by journalist organizations? Do they cit

Do these alt-media companies have accredited journalists, held to objective professional and ethical standards laid out by journalist organizations? Do they cite credible sources and facts with every article? Because that's what we're losing. The idea that JoeBlowKnowsTheTruth.com holds the same level of accountability, rigor, and seriousness as an actual news organization is what's gotten us into this mess.

loraa 8y ago
Seems like companies like the New York Times doesn't either, so what is the difference. The big MSM companies know they have the power to spread fake news and have a good amount of people blindly believe.
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adamrezich 8y ago
How did the other response to this comment get [dead] within _one minute_ of being posted?
- bayulxc5 8y ago
  The account is shadowbanned. (Heads up, loraa!)
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    So incoming ban for you too?
    - bayulxc5 8y ago
      Yes, I get banned every day, creating new accounts is part of my routine. :P
      - webninja 8y ago
        Why would you go through all that effort just to have the door slammed in your face? It’s like showing up to a random person’s house party uninvited, being booted out, and returning each week. It’s not like you can’t create your own house party or find another house party where you’re invited to.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  Anyone who says mainstream media disdainfully enough to abreiviate it msm is usually a conservative nut job. He's a Trumper who refers to virtually all real media as the msm and the alt left and continually whines about the alt left, entitled millennials, and women.
  - adamrezich 8y ago
    None of your assessment of loraa's posting in any way answers my question.
RickSanchez2600 8y ago
CLickbait articles where you have to click for each page of the article are the worst. You know they do it for advertising revenue and not for journalistic integrity. Some of these alt-media sites are political and put a spin on stories as well.
bayulxc5 8y ago
The MAGA teens story has showed that it's not like "reputable" sources have any accountability, rigor, or seriousness.
adrianratnapala 8y ago
> ..., held to objective professional and ethical standards laid out by journalist organizations? In other words you are looking for journalists who are good at winning prizes from their peers. But this risks becoming a self-contained system where journalists are "reputable" because they parrot what other "reputable" journalists think. If IronWolve pays for journalism from sites that strike him as being thorough and trustworthy, then IronWolve's own judgement is as (small) exogenous contribution to the system. Of course it is also possible that IronWolve is a fool who pays for foolish journalism. But if so, then that's his problem.
- aphextron 8y ago
  >In other words you are looking for journalists who are good at winning prizes from their peers. But this risks becoming a self-contained system where journalists are "reputable" because, they parrot what other "reputable" journalists think. I think you're missing the difference between journalism and editorialism. The latter has become our standard of "news" nowadays. A quick glance at the top alt-media sites shows literally nothing but unsourced, opinion driven fear mongering and click bait. It's not about winning awards or thinking "correctly", it's about operating within the bounds of good faith arguments, and adherence to ethical standards agreed upon by society at large. You can enjoy all the political opinions you wish, but don't confuse them with fact based news reporting.
wyqydsyq 8y ago
The idea that "news organisations" still have any journalistic integrity is an absolute joke. Most now amount to nothing more than opinion blogs and biased propaganda against political party X or Y. The decline of integrity in mainstream media is actually what has gotten us into this mess. If the quality of mainstream news reporting did not decline so widely there would not be a vacuum for sites like JoeBlowKnowsTheTruth.com to draw an audience. News organisations and their journalists are completely responsible for the scenario and trying to blame anyone else is just a scapegoat for their own bad work, the consequences (decline in readers/revenue, journalist layoffs) are theirs to face.

loraa 8y ago

Seems like companies like the New York Times doesn't either, so what is the difference. The big MSM companies know they have the power to spread fake news and have a good amount of people blindly believe.

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adamrezich 8y ago

How did the other response to this comment get [dead] within _one minute_ of being posted?

bayulxc5 8y ago
The account is shadowbanned. (Heads up, loraa!)
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  So incoming ban for you too?
  - bayulxc5 8y ago
    Yes, I get banned every day, creating new accounts is part of my routine. :P
    - webninja 8y ago
      Why would you go through all that effort just to have the door slammed in your face? It’s like showing up to a random person’s house party uninvited, being booted out, and returning each week. It’s not like you can’t create your own house party or find another house party where you’re invited to.
michaelmrose 8y ago
Anyone who says mainstream media disdainfully enough to abreiviate it msm is usually a conservative nut job. He's a Trumper who refers to virtually all real media as the msm and the alt left and continually whines about the alt left, entitled millennials, and women.
- adamrezich 8y ago
  None of your assessment of loraa's posting in any way answers my question.

RickSanchez2600 8y ago

CLickbait articles where you have to click for each page of the article are the worst. You know they do it for advertising revenue and not for journalistic integrity. Some of these alt-media sites are political and put a spin on stories as well.

bayulxc5 8y ago

The MAGA teens story has showed that it's not like "reputable" sources have any accountability, rigor, or seriousness.

adrianratnapala 8y ago

> ..., held to objective professional and ethical standards laid out by journalist organizations? In other words you are looking for journalists who are good at winning prizes from their peers. But this risks becoming a self-contained system where journalists are "reputable" because they parrot what other "reputable" journalists think. If IronWolve pays for journalism from sites that strike him as being thorough and trustworthy, then IronWolve's own judgement is as (small) exogenous contribution to the system. Of course it is also possible that IronWolve is a fool who pays for foolish journalism. But if so, then that's his problem.

aphextron 8y ago
>In other words you are looking for journalists who are good at winning prizes from their peers. But this risks becoming a self-contained system where journalists are "reputable" because, they parrot what other "reputable" journalists think. I think you're missing the difference between journalism and editorialism. The latter has become our standard of "news" nowadays. A quick glance at the top alt-media sites shows literally nothing but unsourced, opinion driven fear mongering and click bait. It's not about winning awards or thinking "correctly", it's about operating within the bounds of good faith arguments, and adherence to ethical standards agreed upon by society at large. You can enjoy all the political opinions you wish, but don't confuse them with fact based news reporting.

wyqydsyq 8y ago

The idea that "news organisations" still have any journalistic integrity is an absolute joke. Most now amount to nothing more than opinion blogs and biased propaganda against political party X or Y. The decline of integrity in mainstream media is actually what has gotten us into this mess. If the quality of mainstream news reporting did not decline so widely there would not be a vacuum for sites like JoeBlowKnowsTheTruth.com to draw an audience. News organisations and their journalists are completely responsible for the scenario and trying to blame anyone else is just a scapegoat for their own bad work, the consequences (decline in readers/revenue, journalist layoffs) are theirs to face.