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>> In one sense, Apple already gives up a data feed by sending search queries to Google. Apple does this under protest. Their top search queries are served thr

>> In one sense, Apple already gives up a data feed by sending search queries to Google. Apple does this under protest. Their top search queries are served through siri lately, and the hope is siri will replace all search so they won't need to utilize google anymore.

manigandham 8y ago
So they’re going to build their own search engine? Siri doesn’t do anything outside of your own data.
- eanzenberg 8y ago
  It's called "siri suggested website" or "siri knowledge" when I search in Safari.
- perfect_wave 8y ago
  What if Apple bought Duckduckgo?
  - jtd514 8y ago
    Then they still need to build a search engine, DuckDuckGo is just a proxy for google.
    - moron4hire 8y ago
      It's a lot more than "just" a proxy.
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    - saagarjha 8y ago
      > DuckDuckGo is just a proxy for google Bing, I thought?
      - mirimir 8y ago
        I know that Startpage uses Google. And Searx uses Bing. But I think that DuckDuckGo uses multiple sources. Although it's easy to restrict that to Google.
    - diffeomorphism 8y ago
      They also have their own crawler https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot and additionally use several hundred "sources" for their results https://duck.co/help/results/sources https://duck.co/help/results/sources with the main source seeming to be bing. I don't think google is one of these sources.
    - yellowapple 8y ago
      No it's not. If anything it's a proxy for Bing, but that's one of many data sources[0] (another of which being DDG's own crawler[1]). I'm not aware of Google actually being one of those data sources; you might be thinking of StartPage, which is a proxy for Google. [0]: https://duck.co/help/results/sources https://duck.co/help/results/sources [1]: https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot
ChuckMcM 8y ago
Siri isn't a search engine, it is a front end to a search engine[1]. That used to be Bing but now it is Google (see: http://fortune.com/2017/09/25/google-bing-default-iphone/ http://fortune.com/2017/09/25/google-bing-default-iphone/) There was a time when the Siri folks approached Blekko (which was an actual search engine with its own index, crawler, and ranking Etc. to discuss partnering with Apple (personally I think they should have bought us :-)) But, according to people who should know, there was a cultural mental block at Apple about providing web services at the time. The biggest thing like that they had done was Apple Maps and it was a 'mixed' success. Apple didn't see itself as being a search company. I used to point out that Microsoft had a phone (Nokia), an operating system (Windows Phone), and a search engine. Google had a phone (Nexus), an operating system (Android), and a search engine. Apple had a phone (iPhone) and an operating system (iOS). Since that time Microsoft dropped the OS and phone, and Apple never did build a real search engine. [1] More precisely it is a front end to a simple knowledge base, a local index of things on your device, and when those things are exhausted an internet search engine.
- eanzenberg 8y ago
  In safari, when you enter terms into the search bar, the "google suggestions" is separate from "siri knowledge" or "siri suggested website" which they surface at the top. It looks like Apple generates that independent of google
  - why_only_15 8y ago
    Siri suggested website is based on what your device knows about you (that is never uploaded from your device).
    - eanzenberg 8y ago
      and if you select a link through siri, google doesn't get your query (data).
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twoodfin 8y ago
Not under protest, but for profit. The current figures are not public, but Google pays billions annually to Apple to remain the default search engine on iOS.
- Kye 8y ago
  It's easy to change, and one of the default options is DuckDuckGo.
- eanzenberg 8y ago
  Do you think aapl needs google's "billions"? No, they're making way more money selling "privacy" and building a solid search engine to replace google is high priority for them.
  - IntelMiner 8y ago
    >and building a solid search engine to replace google is high priority for them. What are you basing that on, exactly? Apple doesn't exist in a market simply to "be" in that market. That's why they jettisoned things like their Airport routers
    - ptd 8y ago
      Why does apple exist in a market? Say phones or laptops? Not calling you out, genuinely curious to your opinion.

manigandham 8y ago

So they’re going to build their own search engine? Siri doesn’t do anything outside of your own data.

eanzenberg 8y ago
It's called "siri suggested website" or "siri knowledge" when I search in Safari.
perfect_wave 8y ago
What if Apple bought Duckduckgo?
- jtd514 8y ago
  Then they still need to build a search engine, DuckDuckGo is just a proxy for google.
  - moron4hire 8y ago
    It's a lot more than "just" a proxy.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    > DuckDuckGo is just a proxy for google Bing, I thought?
    - mirimir 8y ago
      I know that Startpage uses Google. And Searx uses Bing. But I think that DuckDuckGo uses multiple sources. Although it's easy to restrict that to Google.
  - diffeomorphism 8y ago
    They also have their own crawler https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot and additionally use several hundred "sources" for their results https://duck.co/help/results/sources https://duck.co/help/results/sources with the main source seeming to be bing. I don't think google is one of these sources.
  - yellowapple 8y ago
    No it's not. If anything it's a proxy for Bing, but that's one of many data sources[0] (another of which being DDG's own crawler[1]). I'm not aware of Google actually being one of those data sources; you might be thinking of StartPage, which is a proxy for Google. [0]: https://duck.co/help/results/sources https://duck.co/help/results/sources [1]: https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot

ChuckMcM 8y ago

Siri isn't a search engine, it is a front end to a search engine[1]. That used to be Bing but now it is Google (see: http://fortune.com/2017/09/25/google-bing-default-iphone/ http://fortune.com/2017/09/25/google-bing-default-iphone/) There was a time when the Siri folks approached Blekko (which was an actual search engine with its own index, crawler, and ranking Etc. to discuss partnering with Apple (personally I think they should have bought us :-)) But, according to people who should know, there was a cultural mental block at Apple about providing web services at the time. The biggest thing like that they had done was Apple Maps and it was a 'mixed' success. Apple didn't see itself as being a search company. I used to point out that Microsoft had a phone (Nokia), an operating system (Windows Phone), and a search engine. Google had a phone (Nexus), an operating system (Android), and a search engine. Apple had a phone (iPhone) and an operating system (iOS). Since that time Microsoft dropped the OS and phone, and Apple never did build a real search engine. [1] More precisely it is a front end to a simple knowledge base, a local index of things on your device, and when those things are exhausted an internet search engine.

eanzenberg 8y ago
In safari, when you enter terms into the search bar, the "google suggestions" is separate from "siri knowledge" or "siri suggested website" which they surface at the top. It looks like Apple generates that independent of google
- why_only_15 8y ago
  Siri suggested website is based on what your device knows about you (that is never uploaded from your device).
  - eanzenberg 8y ago
    and if you select a link through siri, google doesn't get your query (data).
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twoodfin 8y ago

Not under protest, but for profit. The current figures are not public, but Google pays billions annually to Apple to remain the default search engine on iOS.

Kye 8y ago
It's easy to change, and one of the default options is DuckDuckGo.
eanzenberg 8y ago
Do you think aapl needs google's "billions"? No, they're making way more money selling "privacy" and building a solid search engine to replace google is high priority for them.
- IntelMiner 8y ago
  >and building a solid search engine to replace google is high priority for them. What are you basing that on, exactly? Apple doesn't exist in a market simply to "be" in that market. That's why they jettisoned things like their Airport routers
  - ptd 8y ago
    Why does apple exist in a market? Say phones or laptops? Not calling you out, genuinely curious to your opinion.