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Incorrect. People under 18 can enter into a contract with parental permission. Further, some stories have reported that Facebook says they acquired such parent

by gojomo 8y ago

Incorrect. People under 18 can enter into a contract with parental permission. Further, some stories have reported that Facebook says they acquired such parental permission for the minor participants.

mynameisvlad 8y ago
Do you have a source for these stories you keep reporting happened? Because I haven't seen a single link supporting this narrative. Additionally, the minimum age for non-agricultural workers is 14 anyway, so even then they're in the wrong and can't legally hire 13-year olds as contractors or employees. There's also several other rules in the FLSA pertaining to workers under 18 including minimum wage. I have a sneaky suspicion $20 per whatever period it is (unless said period is a few hours) is going to be under that wage. Not to mention there's a whole lot more can of worms being opened specifically around minimum wage and recording hours that I highly doubt either Facebook or Google were actively managing.
- eganist 8y ago
  They're not even producing goods or services for Google. They're selling access to data. They're selling rights. I've never seen that relationship result in anyone being called a contractor and I've signed too many film contracts. I don't know where OP is getting this notion.
- gojomo 8y ago
  A contractor can be paid for piecework: compare Mechanical Turk. (And, the actual labor required to install the app, and answer any questionnaires, was probably on the order of "minutes" rather than "hours" – and thus compensated at far above "minimum wage".) Here you can see a VentureBeat reporter – and one who is actually a member of the California State Bar of Attorneys – raise some of the same questions as I have: https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/31/the-odd-reason-apple-killed-facebooks-and-googles-usage-research-apps/ https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/31/the-odd-reason-apple-kill... Late in this article, you can see Facebook's statement that all minors who participated did so with signed parental consent forms: https://gizmodo.com/facebook-is-paying-teens-to-install-a-research-app-that-1832182370 https://gizmodo.com/facebook-is-paying-teens-to-install-a-re... Facebook's statement: "Key facts about this market research program are being ignored. Despite early reports, there was nothing ‘secret’ about this; it was literally called the Facebook Research App. It wasn’t ‘spying’ as all of the people who signed up to participate went through a clear on-boarding process asking for their permission and were paid to participate. Finally, less than 5 percent of the people who chose to participate in this market research program were teens. All of them with signed parental consent forms."

by gojomo 8y ago

mynameisvlad 8y ago

Do you have a source for these stories you keep reporting happened? Because I haven't seen a single link supporting this narrative. Additionally, the minimum age for non-agricultural workers is 14 anyway, so even then they're in the wrong and can't legally hire 13-year olds as contractors or employees. There's also several other rules in the FLSA pertaining to workers under 18 including minimum wage. I have a sneaky suspicion $20 per whatever period it is (unless said period is a few hours) is going to be under that wage. Not to mention there's a whole lot more can of worms being opened specifically around minimum wage and recording hours that I highly doubt either Facebook or Google were actively managing.

eganist 8y ago
They're not even producing goods or services for Google. They're selling access to data. They're selling rights. I've never seen that relationship result in anyone being called a contractor and I've signed too many film contracts. I don't know where OP is getting this notion.
gojomo 8y ago
A contractor can be paid for piecework: compare Mechanical Turk. (And, the actual labor required to install the app, and answer any questionnaires, was probably on the order of "minutes" rather than "hours" – and thus compensated at far above "minimum wage".) Here you can see a VentureBeat reporter – and one who is actually a member of the California State Bar of Attorneys – raise some of the same questions as I have: https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/31/the-odd-reason-apple-killed-facebooks-and-googles-usage-research-apps/ https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/31/the-odd-reason-apple-kill... Late in this article, you can see Facebook's statement that all minors who participated did so with signed parental consent forms: https://gizmodo.com/facebook-is-paying-teens-to-install-a-research-app-that-1832182370 https://gizmodo.com/facebook-is-paying-teens-to-install-a-re... Facebook's statement: "Key facts about this market research program are being ignored. Despite early reports, there was nothing ‘secret’ about this; it was literally called the Facebook Research App. It wasn’t ‘spying’ as all of the people who signed up to participate went through a clear on-boarding process asking for their permission and were paid to participate. Finally, less than 5 percent of the people who chose to participate in this market research program were teens. All of them with signed parental consent forms."