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I think the big/only difference between us and China in this regard is that the US government don't do this to Chinese companies and then take those secrets and

I think the big/only difference between us and China in this regard is that the US government don't do this to Chinese companies and then take those secrets and give them to American companies. We have a set of rules we follow and China has different rules, rules that violate ours, so we point fingers.

vkou 8y ago
> I think the big/only difference between us and China in this regard is that the US government don't do this to Chinese companies and then take those secrets and give them to American companies. How do you know this does not happen in defense-related industries?
- stone-monkey 8y ago
  Not OP. Also not saying it doesn't happen, but the incentive structures are different in both countries. A lot of private industry in China is defacto government owned due how business works there - You can't build a business there to scale without having ingratiated yourself to some higher ups of the party at some level. While the same thing may or may not happen in the US, we also have the option of being able to grow obscenely large without being tight knit with the government - See Facebook and a large chunk of Silicon Valley. It's commonly touted that the purpose of forcing foreign companies to submit their IP to a Chinese owned branch as a prerequisite to conducting business in China is so the government can exfiltrate foreign IP back to China. The government isn't in the business of building out all these industries themselves - they anoint some select chosen in their cabal who profits enormously from getting the blessing of their local party members, while sending generous kickbacks their way. There's some Chinese billionaire who talks about it on YouTube - I can't recall his name off the top of my head.
  - hindsightbias 8y ago
    Assessment of foreign military equipment/tech bought (or stolen) by the US is highly dependent on defense contractors. There is less of an incentive for the US to steal commercial tech, but that would probably change if "our tech" fell behind "their tech."
- SubiculumCode 8y ago
  In defense related industries, it surely does happen if it can be done. Outside of that, probably only what can be got away with by bad agents for side deals.
throwaway232343 8y ago
Um, except the US totally does do that. See for example: Uh, they totally did. To French companies, to Brazilian companies, and passed it on for advantage in negotiations and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-petrobras https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-bra... https://sputniknews.com/politics/201506301024010800/ https://sputniknews.com/politics/201506301024010800/
- diminoten 8y ago
  Neither article claims what you say it claims.
  - ionised 8y ago
    Someone further up in the thread posted better sources.
    - some_random 8y ago
      Which were also bullshit.

vkou 8y ago

> I think the big/only difference between us and China in this regard is that the US government don't do this to Chinese companies and then take those secrets and give them to American companies. How do you know this does not happen in defense-related industries?

stone-monkey 8y ago
Not OP. Also not saying it doesn't happen, but the incentive structures are different in both countries. A lot of private industry in China is defacto government owned due how business works there - You can't build a business there to scale without having ingratiated yourself to some higher ups of the party at some level. While the same thing may or may not happen in the US, we also have the option of being able to grow obscenely large without being tight knit with the government - See Facebook and a large chunk of Silicon Valley. It's commonly touted that the purpose of forcing foreign companies to submit their IP to a Chinese owned branch as a prerequisite to conducting business in China is so the government can exfiltrate foreign IP back to China. The government isn't in the business of building out all these industries themselves - they anoint some select chosen in their cabal who profits enormously from getting the blessing of their local party members, while sending generous kickbacks their way. There's some Chinese billionaire who talks about it on YouTube - I can't recall his name off the top of my head.
- hindsightbias 8y ago
  Assessment of foreign military equipment/tech bought (or stolen) by the US is highly dependent on defense contractors. There is less of an incentive for the US to steal commercial tech, but that would probably change if "our tech" fell behind "their tech."
SubiculumCode 8y ago
In defense related industries, it surely does happen if it can be done. Outside of that, probably only what can be got away with by bad agents for side deals.

throwaway232343 8y ago

Um, except the US totally does do that. See for example: Uh, they totally did. To French companies, to Brazilian companies, and passed it on for advantage in negotiations and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-petrobras https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-bra... https://sputniknews.com/politics/201506301024010800/ https://sputniknews.com/politics/201506301024010800/

diminoten 8y ago
Neither article claims what you say it claims.
- ionised 8y ago
  Someone further up in the thread posted better sources.
  - some_random 8y ago
    Which were also bullshit.