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For users for whom the developer tools aren't a realistic option, which is the vast majority of them, apple does dictate what you can install on your phone. Fo

For users for whom the developer tools aren't a realistic option, which is the vast majority of them, apple does dictate what you can install on your phone. For the rest of us, for the low low price of $100 to join the developer program plus $1000 for a Mac, we can get the ability to install software that we can build, which more-or-less precludes sideloading as an option for commercial software. So, for all practical purposes, yes, Apple does dictate what you can install on their phone. The question is really whether you think that that's a feature or a misfeature.

mrtksn 8y ago
That's different from controlling what YOU as a user can install on your phone. Apple controlls what you can make people install on their phones. These are vastly different things. You own your phone and you can do whatever you want with it. It's just that you can't use Apple's distribution channels to spread you code.
- bunderbunder 8y ago
  You also can't put your own code on it without a developer key, and Apple is the gatekeeper for getting a developer key. Theoretically you could bypass everything by replacing the OS, except that you can't replace the OS without yet another key that Apple isn't sharing with anyone.
  - mrtksn 8y ago
    No, you don't have to hack anything, you can write your code and run it on your iPhone that's running the legit iOS without going through Apple's review process. People who develop apps do it everyday many times because they need to run their code on devices. You don't ask apple for permission every time you press the build button.
    - bunderbunder 8y ago
      You don't have to go through the review process for getting an app approved for the app store. But you do still have to apply for a developer key, and buy the necessary additional equipment (which can only legally be Apple hardware), and comply with the associated contractual agreement. That does mean Apple has a nonzero amount of control over that channel, too.
      - mrtksn 8y ago
        You try hard to hate on Apple :) Of course, you need to buy the necessary equipment. Do you want to make holes? Then you buy a drill.
        bunderbunder 8y ago
        Literally every piece of electronics in front of me right now is either an Apple device, or connected to an Apple device. I'm not hating on them. I'm just advocating a realistic perspective on the situation. iOS is a walled garden. That some people (myself included) see that as a net positive doesn't make it not one.

mrtksn 8y ago

That's different from controlling what YOU as a user can install on your phone. Apple controlls what you can make people install on their phones. These are vastly different things. You own your phone and you can do whatever you want with it. It's just that you can't use Apple's distribution channels to spread you code.

bunderbunder 8y ago
You also can't put your own code on it without a developer key, and Apple is the gatekeeper for getting a developer key. Theoretically you could bypass everything by replacing the OS, except that you can't replace the OS without yet another key that Apple isn't sharing with anyone.
- mrtksn 8y ago
  No, you don't have to hack anything, you can write your code and run it on your iPhone that's running the legit iOS without going through Apple's review process. People who develop apps do it everyday many times because they need to run their code on devices. You don't ask apple for permission every time you press the build button.
  - bunderbunder 8y ago
    You don't have to go through the review process for getting an app approved for the app store. But you do still have to apply for a developer key, and buy the necessary additional equipment (which can only legally be Apple hardware), and comply with the associated contractual agreement. That does mean Apple has a nonzero amount of control over that channel, too.
    - mrtksn 8y ago
      You try hard to hate on Apple :) Of course, you need to buy the necessary equipment. Do you want to make holes? Then you buy a drill.
      - bunderbunder 8y ago
        Literally every piece of electronics in front of me right now is either an Apple device, or connected to an Apple device. I'm not hating on them. I'm just advocating a realistic perspective on the situation. iOS is a walled garden. That some people (myself included) see that as a net positive doesn't make it not one.