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It isn't benefiting many people now. Look at these prices https://www.sawstop.com/build/ https://www.sawstop.com/build/

by ahoy 8y ago

mrlala 8y ago
Yeah it's crazy, just went to their site. "Jobsite Saw" at $1299. Otherwise known as "exactly like something you can buy at home depot for $299" but without their protection. About $1000 more for their stuff.. most people can't afford that. I can barely get myself to spend the $300 on a table saw as it is.
edaemon 8y ago
Their jobsite and contractor saws are expensive, but the cabinet saws are priced pretty similarly to other high quality cabinet saws (and SawStops are high quality).
grmarcil 8y ago
True, they are not cheap tools, but SawStop makes high quality equipment. Their prices are a bit cheaper than Powermatic [1], and the saws compare favorably in performance-oriented reviews. SawStop isn't really a homeowner tool, but it is certainly within an accessible price range for enthusiasts, schools, and professionals. [1] https://www.toolnut.com/power-tools/saws/table-saws.html?manufacturer=Powermatic https://www.toolnut.com/power-tools/saws/table-saws.html?man...
jackhack 8y ago
Sure, you'll find a premium on top of commodity tool prices to add the sawstop technology. No doubt about it. What you won't find is anyone who says "sure, I lost my finger/hand/arm to a sawblade, but look on the bright side, I saved a thousand bucks!" That $1000 difference wouldn't even cover most insurance plan deductibles for one ER visit. Not to mention specialists, surgeons, reconstructive surgery, physical therapy, etc.
nathantotten 8y ago
I don't believe that is really true. Most woodworking stores pretty much only have Saw Stop in the stores. Sure, lots of people have the super cheap Dewalt's or whatever from Home Depot, but Saw Stop sells a lot of table saws. I won't use anything else.
- semi-extrinsic 8y ago
  You literally can't buy a Saw Stop outside of the US. And even if you import one, after paying $$$ for the saw and $$ for shipping, you'd need to install a big hunking $$$ 220V-110V transformer in your shop. I've never seen one over here. The European philosophy seems to be that the Saw Stop isn't worth it, because if you get in a situation where it kicks in, it means you've done something stupid like not using a riving knife and not using a crosscut sled or other pushing device. I think also the fact that you don't get the system on other types of saws (band saw, mitre saw, circular saw, etc.) says something about the efficiacy.
  - detaro 8y ago
    SawStop has stopped all competing attempts for patent violation, so I'm not sure it not being sold elsewhere is a clear sign it's not wanted.
    - semi-extrinsic 8y ago
      AFAICT SawStop's patents (seems to primarily hinge on US patents 7,895,927 and 8,011,279) are only valid in the US. Also, when Bosch tried their "Reaxx" branded competitor, it was only launched in the US. The official reply from Bosch when people asked on their forum about bringing the Reaxx to Europe was """ There are currently no plans to bring the Reaxx to the European market simply due to differences in health and safety regulations across the two continents. """ My reading of this is that as long as people in Europe follow local H&S regulations, this technology is redundant. And they're not going to sell tools with features that enable people to disregard H&S regs.
      - blattimwind 8y ago
        American-style table saws (that you see in literally every YouTube video involving wood) are fairly rare in professional woodshops in Europe. Almost every larger shop has a format / sliding table saw, which avoids several (but not all) "classes" of kickback and other safety risks in the first place. Even small shops often have scaled-down sliding table saws (which have been around for many decades, usually using round steel bars for guiding the table instead of the more complex double-roller designs used by Altendorf & Co.). A Sawstop-like system could still be a useful addition, though.
dylan604 8y ago
Ask the person with missing appendages how much money was saved by not buying the tool with the safety features.

It isn't benefiting many people now. Look at these prices https://www.sawstop.com/build/ https://www.sawstop.com/build/

by ahoy 8y ago

It isn't benefiting many people now. Look at these prices https://www.sawstop.com/build/ https://www.sawstop.com/build/

Yeah it's crazy, just went to their site. "Jobsite Saw" at $1299. Otherwise known as "exactly like something you can buy at home depot for $299" but without their protection. About $1000 more for their stuff.. most people can't afford that. I can barely get myself to spend the $300 on a table saw as it is.

edaemon 8y ago

Their jobsite and contractor saws are expensive, but the cabinet saws are priced pretty similarly to other high quality cabinet saws (and SawStops are high quality).

grmarcil 8y ago

True, they are not cheap tools, but SawStop makes high quality equipment. Their prices are a bit cheaper than Powermatic [1], and the saws compare favorably in performance-oriented reviews. SawStop isn't really a homeowner tool, but it is certainly within an accessible price range for enthusiasts, schools, and professionals. [1] https://www.toolnut.com/power-tools/saws/table-saws.html?manufacturer=Powermatic https://www.toolnut.com/power-tools/saws/table-saws.html?man...

jackhack 8y ago

Sure, you'll find a premium on top of commodity tool prices to add the sawstop technology. No doubt about it. What you won't find is anyone who says "sure, I lost my finger/hand/arm to a sawblade, but look on the bright side, I saved a thousand bucks!" That $1000 difference wouldn't even cover most insurance plan deductibles for one ER visit. Not to mention specialists, surgeons, reconstructive surgery, physical therapy, etc.

nathantotten 8y ago

I don't believe that is really true. Most woodworking stores pretty much only have Saw Stop in the stores. Sure, lots of people have the super cheap Dewalt's or whatever from Home Depot, but Saw Stop sells a lot of table saws. I won't use anything else.

semi-extrinsic 8y ago
You literally can't buy a Saw Stop outside of the US. And even if you import one, after paying $$$ for the saw and $$ for shipping, you'd need to install a big hunking $$$ 220V-110V transformer in your shop. I've never seen one over here. The European philosophy seems to be that the Saw Stop isn't worth it, because if you get in a situation where it kicks in, it means you've done something stupid like not using a riving knife and not using a crosscut sled or other pushing device. I think also the fact that you don't get the system on other types of saws (band saw, mitre saw, circular saw, etc.) says something about the efficiacy.
- detaro 8y ago
  SawStop has stopped all competing attempts for patent violation, so I'm not sure it not being sold elsewhere is a clear sign it's not wanted.
  - semi-extrinsic 8y ago
    AFAICT SawStop's patents (seems to primarily hinge on US patents 7,895,927 and 8,011,279) are only valid in the US. Also, when Bosch tried their "Reaxx" branded competitor, it was only launched in the US. The official reply from Bosch when people asked on their forum about bringing the Reaxx to Europe was """ There are currently no plans to bring the Reaxx to the European market simply due to differences in health and safety regulations across the two continents. """ My reading of this is that as long as people in Europe follow local H&S regulations, this technology is redundant. And they're not going to sell tools with features that enable people to disregard H&S regs.
    - blattimwind 8y ago
      American-style table saws (that you see in literally every YouTube video involving wood) are fairly rare in professional woodshops in Europe. Almost every larger shop has a format / sliding table saw, which avoids several (but not all) "classes" of kickback and other safety risks in the first place. Even small shops often have scaled-down sliding table saws (which have been around for many decades, usually using round steel bars for guiding the table instead of the more complex double-roller designs used by Altendorf & Co.). A Sawstop-like system could still be a useful addition, though.

dylan604 8y ago

Ask the person with missing appendages how much money was saved by not buying the tool with the safety features.