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> Apple's power on device owned by customers is ridiculous It's a feature I appreciate. Malware is a serious problem and one I'd rather not deal with on my pho

> Apple's power on device owned by customers is ridiculous It's a feature I appreciate. Malware is a serious problem and one I'd rather not deal with on my phone.

sneakernets 8y ago
Then, learn to check what you install? Make it require XCode or something, that may solve the problem.
- jakear 8y ago
  iPhone users pay a premium to have a third party evaluate apps before they’re out on the App Store. If they wanted to do the evaluation themselves, they wouldn’t pay that premium.
  - jedberg 8y ago
    > iPhone users pay a premium to have a third party evaluate apps before they’re out on the App Store. And I appreciate that they provide that service and happily pay premium for it. But I'd still like a way to load apps that they don't approve.
    - rootusrootus 8y ago
      I would like the ability as well, but I can see the argument against it. If you provide that vector, there will be plenty of people trying to attack it. If you are staking a claim on privacy and security, you want to minimize the number of attack vectors on your devices.
    - evgen 8y ago
      Download XCode, compile the app yourself, load it onto your phone. Now you have apps on your phone that do not need Apple approval.
      - jedberg 8y ago
        What if I want to install closed source apps?
  - sneakernets 8y ago
    I don't think this ever crosses an iPhone user's mind one bit. And being a former iPhone dev, they really didn't vet much of anything, it was mostly what the employee was feeling that day that got your app accepted or not. This was back in 2013 or so, so things may have changed, but it really was a coin flip...
Shish2k 8y ago
I don't think anybody is forcing you to avoid the app store? Your love of curated app-stores and other people's love of side-loading aren't mutually exclusive...
- Gaelan 8y ago
  If you tell the average user they need to sideload your app to access some free content, they will happily click past any number of scary warnings. I personally would appreciate being able to sideload, but there’s a reason iPhones don’t get laden with crapware in the hands of someone inexperienced with tech the way that desktop computers do. Does that mean we shouldn’t support sideloading? No idea. But there are trade offs.
- asark 8y ago
  It is as soon as several must-have apps (say, the ones all your friends and family use to communicate) are side-load only. If they allow other channels to install apps and make them easy enough that non-nerds can do it, network effects will quickly make it de facto necessary to run at least some apps from outside the app store.

> Apple's power on device owned by customers is ridiculous It's a feature I appreciate. Malware is a serious problem and one I'd rather not deal with on my phone.

sneakernets 8y ago

Then, learn to check what you install? Make it require XCode or something, that may solve the problem.

jakear 8y ago
iPhone users pay a premium to have a third party evaluate apps before they’re out on the App Store. If they wanted to do the evaluation themselves, they wouldn’t pay that premium.
- jedberg 8y ago
  > iPhone users pay a premium to have a third party evaluate apps before they’re out on the App Store. And I appreciate that they provide that service and happily pay premium for it. But I'd still like a way to load apps that they don't approve.
  - rootusrootus 8y ago
    I would like the ability as well, but I can see the argument against it. If you provide that vector, there will be plenty of people trying to attack it. If you are staking a claim on privacy and security, you want to minimize the number of attack vectors on your devices.
  - evgen 8y ago
    Download XCode, compile the app yourself, load it onto your phone. Now you have apps on your phone that do not need Apple approval.
    - jedberg 8y ago
      What if I want to install closed source apps?
- sneakernets 8y ago
  I don't think this ever crosses an iPhone user's mind one bit. And being a former iPhone dev, they really didn't vet much of anything, it was mostly what the employee was feeling that day that got your app accepted or not. This was back in 2013 or so, so things may have changed, but it really was a coin flip...

Shish2k 8y ago

I don't think anybody is forcing you to avoid the app store? Your love of curated app-stores and other people's love of side-loading aren't mutually exclusive...

Gaelan 8y ago
If you tell the average user they need to sideload your app to access some free content, they will happily click past any number of scary warnings. I personally would appreciate being able to sideload, but there’s a reason iPhones don’t get laden with crapware in the hands of someone inexperienced with tech the way that desktop computers do. Does that mean we shouldn’t support sideloading? No idea. But there are trade offs.
asark 8y ago
It is as soon as several must-have apps (say, the ones all your friends and family use to communicate) are side-load only. If they allow other channels to install apps and make them easy enough that non-nerds can do it, network effects will quickly make it de facto necessary to run at least some apps from outside the app store.