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I would characterize it as more annoying than anything else. It’s not like we couldn’t work or we had productions issues because of it.

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velobro 8y ago
Thanks for helping to ruin the world through advertising.
- callalex 8y ago
  I don’t like Facebook either, but personal attack’s are not acceptable on this forum. Isn’t being able to talk to someone who works for Facebook better than not being able to talk to them at all? Why would this person continue to post if they know they will just be attacked?
  - ahelwer 8y ago
    Maybe they would think twice about continuing to burn the most productive years of their only life at this company if they knew what people thought of them.
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      Regardless of your opinion on Facebook, I don't think its employees should have to deal with a personal attack like that. It's one thing to try to get them to reconsider their viewpoint on their job, and quite another to flippantly call them out with a response that doesn't foster discussion.
- dang 8y ago
  Attacking another user like that will get you banned here, regardless of how strongly you feel about Facebook or how right you are or feel. The guidelines also ask you not to snark on HN. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here.
  - samstave 8y ago
    I agree, Dang, - however - A suggestion for something for YC/HN to do: Find a way to have a serious objective talk with the greater community on the extraordinarily global reaching issues of the impact of Silicon Valley on society, community, culture as a whole. Look at what we have to just emerge in the last 1.5 decades alone from "unicorns" in silicon valley: * US policy seemingly being set/disrupted via twitter * Mental health studies coming out on the negative impact of Facebook * Election manipulation through ad-powered platforms such as Google and FB * Massive cultural dialogue and political revolutions being fueled through twitter * Assassinations being corroborated through Apple an watch * Global spying and surveillance conducted through all our connected technology Just to name a few of the globally impactful issues of our day which directly stem from the efforts of Silicon Valley in specific and the tech industry in general. As the preeminent VC company in the minds of any young entrepreneur who wants to build the Next Big Thing, I would pose that YC actually has a social responsibility to, at a minimum, foster a conversation on these issues in a meaningful, serious and deep manner. What are the consequences of MASSIVE success of a company?
    - dang 8y ago
      I don't know of any way to have a serious objective talk with the greater community.
      - samstave 8y ago
        I can't imagine these topics and questions don't informally come up, but it would be healthy to figure out a way to broach them...
naikrovek 8y ago
Sounds like you might work at Facebook. If so, mild inconvenience or not, I am glad it happened. Going around the terms stated in an agreement to accomplish something forbidden by the agreement is a type of fraud. Fraud is illegal. People are really starting to hate Facebook these days, and your guys' attitude doesn't seem to be changing much because of it. I, for one, LOVE this, because it means by the time you do recognize your sliding favor among customers, it will be too late for you to do anything about it. You will become the new Myspace, which is exactly what you deserve to be. If you don't work for Facebook, then none of the above applies to you. [EDIT:] the parent comment was deleted. The comment stated something to the effect of "It wasn't a big deal, it didn't affect our workflows or production applications."
- remote_phone 8y ago
  I didn’t delete or edit my comment. I completely understand now what my friends at Uber were saying about the Internet hivemind and especially the HN hivemind. Journalists routinely manipulate their stories to tell the story they want to tell, and right now it’s “Facebook is evil.” You are entitled to your opinion but nothing I or my coworkers do is evil and we would never engage in anything unethical. In a large company there will always be bad apples but to paint an entire company as somehow being a conspiracy is frankly mind boggling. I would love to turn the mirror on all the haters and see how their lives would be if journalists reported manipulated facts on the worst moments of their lives.
  - ahelwer 8y ago
    You should consider learning about more systemic definitions of evil rather than imagining it embodied in some caricature of a human being. Your individual intent matters very little.
    - dang 8y ago
      Speaking of systemic effects, please don't pile on this user, or any other individual who happens to be in a position that the majority hates right now. That quickly develops into an ugly dynamic that we don't want here. What you posted at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19046964 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19046964 is unmistakeably a step in that brutal direction. This comment goes for everybody.

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velobro 8y ago

Thanks for helping to ruin the world through advertising.

callalex 8y ago
I don’t like Facebook either, but personal attack’s are not acceptable on this forum. Isn’t being able to talk to someone who works for Facebook better than not being able to talk to them at all? Why would this person continue to post if they know they will just be attacked?
- ahelwer 8y ago
  Maybe they would think twice about continuing to burn the most productive years of their only life at this company if they knew what people thought of them.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    Regardless of your opinion on Facebook, I don't think its employees should have to deal with a personal attack like that. It's one thing to try to get them to reconsider their viewpoint on their job, and quite another to flippantly call them out with a response that doesn't foster discussion.
dang 8y ago
Attacking another user like that will get you banned here, regardless of how strongly you feel about Facebook or how right you are or feel. The guidelines also ask you not to snark on HN. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here.
- samstave 8y ago
  I agree, Dang, - however - A suggestion for something for YC/HN to do: Find a way to have a serious objective talk with the greater community on the extraordinarily global reaching issues of the impact of Silicon Valley on society, community, culture as a whole. Look at what we have to just emerge in the last 1.5 decades alone from "unicorns" in silicon valley: * US policy seemingly being set/disrupted via twitter * Mental health studies coming out on the negative impact of Facebook * Election manipulation through ad-powered platforms such as Google and FB * Massive cultural dialogue and political revolutions being fueled through twitter * Assassinations being corroborated through Apple an watch * Global spying and surveillance conducted through all our connected technology Just to name a few of the globally impactful issues of our day which directly stem from the efforts of Silicon Valley in specific and the tech industry in general. As the preeminent VC company in the minds of any young entrepreneur who wants to build the Next Big Thing, I would pose that YC actually has a social responsibility to, at a minimum, foster a conversation on these issues in a meaningful, serious and deep manner. What are the consequences of MASSIVE success of a company?
  - dang 8y ago
    I don't know of any way to have a serious objective talk with the greater community.
    - samstave 8y ago
      I can't imagine these topics and questions don't informally come up, but it would be healthy to figure out a way to broach them...

naikrovek 8y ago

Sounds like you might work at Facebook. If so, mild inconvenience or not, I am glad it happened. Going around the terms stated in an agreement to accomplish something forbidden by the agreement is a type of fraud. Fraud is illegal. People are really starting to hate Facebook these days, and your guys' attitude doesn't seem to be changing much because of it. I, for one, LOVE this, because it means by the time you do recognize your sliding favor among customers, it will be too late for you to do anything about it. You will become the new Myspace, which is exactly what you deserve to be. If you don't work for Facebook, then none of the above applies to you. [EDIT:] the parent comment was deleted. The comment stated something to the effect of "It wasn't a big deal, it didn't affect our workflows or production applications."

remote_phone 8y ago
I didn’t delete or edit my comment. I completely understand now what my friends at Uber were saying about the Internet hivemind and especially the HN hivemind. Journalists routinely manipulate their stories to tell the story they want to tell, and right now it’s “Facebook is evil.” You are entitled to your opinion but nothing I or my coworkers do is evil and we would never engage in anything unethical. In a large company there will always be bad apples but to paint an entire company as somehow being a conspiracy is frankly mind boggling. I would love to turn the mirror on all the haters and see how their lives would be if journalists reported manipulated facts on the worst moments of their lives.
- ahelwer 8y ago
  You should consider learning about more systemic definitions of evil rather than imagining it embodied in some caricature of a human being. Your individual intent matters very little.
  - dang 8y ago
    Speaking of systemic effects, please don't pile on this user, or any other individual who happens to be in a position that the majority hates right now. That quickly develops into an ugly dynamic that we don't want here. What you posted at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19046964 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19046964 is unmistakeably a step in that brutal direction. This comment goes for everybody.