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In relative proportion its not increasing at all. The graph/data from the Japanese Justice Ministry presented in the article strongly disagrees with you.

by dagw 8y ago

ekianjo 8y ago
Nope it does not. It calculates the number of offenses per age group and it's perfectly NORMAL the percentage increases as the percentage of older people increases as well: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Japan_Age_Makeup_1920-2010_with_Projection_to_2060.png/450px-Japan_Age_Makeup_1920-2010_with_Projection_to_2060.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Ja... What you need to prove me I am completely wrong is a subset of 65 years old and older over time, as a single segment, and show me that in that segment there is large increase in percentage. That's not at all what the graphs shows.
- dagw 8y ago
  My mistake. You're right, I'm wrong.
  - ekianjo 8y ago
    No problem. Happens to all of us at some point.
- mdorazio 8y ago
  You could have looked up that data yourself to prove the article wrong and shared it rather than just repeatedly commenting that the article sucks. From [1] and [2] the percentage of the population 65+ increased from 15.7% in 1997 to an estimated 28% in 2017. From the article, "In 1997 this age group accounted for about one in 20 convictions but 20 years later the figure had grown to more than one in five". So percentage of population roughly doubled, but in the same time the percentage of convictions quadrupled. [1] http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/nenkan/pdf/yhyou02.pdf http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/nenkan/pdf/yhyou02.pdf [2] http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/esuikei/ppfj2012.pdf http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/esuikei/ppfj2012...
  - ekianjo 8y ago
    convictions != unique people convicted. As I have already pointed out, offenders commit multiple crimes and therefore register as several convictions. So you can't just look at percentage of infractions and assume this is representative of unique people committing crimes. > than just repeatedly commenting that the article sucks The article sucks because it fails to account for several ways to explain the data and jumps right at a conclusion that's pushed by a social narrative.
    - mdorazio 8y ago
      And once again rather than spending two minutes to find the data and report it here, you instead chose to act smug about how much smarter you are than the article author. Please stop doing that. Provide insight instead of just criticism. Right from a linked chart in the article [1], you can see that the total number of persons over 65 imprisoned has quadrupled from roughly 600 in 1997 to 2500 in 2016. Repeat convictions is a side statistic that has little bearing on the total numbers here. [1] http://hakusyo1.moj.go.jp/en/66/image/image/h004008002001e.jpg http://hakusyo1.moj.go.jp/en/66/image/image/h004008002001e.j...
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In relative proportion its not increasing at all. The graph/data from the Japanese Justice Ministry presented in the article strongly disagrees with you.

by dagw 8y ago

In relative proportion its not increasing at all. The graph/data from the Japanese Justice Ministry presented in the article strongly disagrees with you.

ekianjo 8y ago

Nope it does not. It calculates the number of offenses per age group and it's perfectly NORMAL the percentage increases as the percentage of older people increases as well: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Japan_Age_Makeup_1920-2010_with_Projection_to_2060.png/450px-Japan_Age_Makeup_1920-2010_with_Projection_to_2060.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Ja... What you need to prove me I am completely wrong is a subset of 65 years old and older over time, as a single segment, and show me that in that segment there is large increase in percentage. That's not at all what the graphs shows.

dagw 8y ago
My mistake. You're right, I'm wrong.
- ekianjo 8y ago
  No problem. Happens to all of us at some point.
mdorazio 8y ago
You could have looked up that data yourself to prove the article wrong and shared it rather than just repeatedly commenting that the article sucks. From [1] and [2] the percentage of the population 65+ increased from 15.7% in 1997 to an estimated 28% in 2017. From the article, "In 1997 this age group accounted for about one in 20 convictions but 20 years later the figure had grown to more than one in five". So percentage of population roughly doubled, but in the same time the percentage of convictions quadrupled. [1] http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/nenkan/pdf/yhyou02.pdf http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/nenkan/pdf/yhyou02.pdf [2] http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/esuikei/ppfj2012.pdf http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/esuikei/ppfj2012...
- ekianjo 8y ago
  convictions != unique people convicted. As I have already pointed out, offenders commit multiple crimes and therefore register as several convictions. So you can't just look at percentage of infractions and assume this is representative of unique people committing crimes. > than just repeatedly commenting that the article sucks The article sucks because it fails to account for several ways to explain the data and jumps right at a conclusion that's pushed by a social narrative.
  - mdorazio 8y ago
    And once again rather than spending two minutes to find the data and report it here, you instead chose to act smug about how much smarter you are than the article author. Please stop doing that. Provide insight instead of just criticism. Right from a linked chart in the article [1], you can see that the total number of persons over 65 imprisoned has quadrupled from roughly 600 in 1997 to 2500 in 2016. Repeat convictions is a side statistic that has little bearing on the total numbers here. [1] http://hakusyo1.moj.go.jp/en/66/image/image/h004008002001e.jpg http://hakusyo1.moj.go.jp/en/66/image/image/h004008002001e.j...
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