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Assisted suicide is a big trend in my country for old people who want to check out. But I know that in many countries that's not an option due to religious beli
by Tsubasachan 8y ago
Assisted suicide is a big trend in my country for old people who want to check out. But I know that in many countries that's not an option due to religious beliefs.
- ezoe 8y agoReligious belief? It's more like moral and constitutional basic human right issue.
- dmos62 8y agoAre you saying that it's a basic human right to choose whether or not to live, or that it's a right to not have a right to choose? The former would be a very weird statement.
- NikolaeVarius 8y agoI subscribe to former and I have no ides why you think its weird. The choice of continued concious existence is literally the only real natural right we have.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago> The choice of continued concious existence is literally the only real natural right we have. We have several choices and we make them each second. A choice to respond to this comment or not, for example. And even in a tragic scenario where you can't make any choice about your body, you may still have many others - see Hawking for example.
- dmos62 8y agoThere's an issue of terminology here. What you describe is not a right, it's an obligation. If some action is a right, you can choose not to do it. So you're saying that a human is obligated to live for the maximum span of time possible. Does it still not sound weird? Rhetorics aside, the power to turn yourself off is very important. Taking away this power has been used throughout history as a means to intensify torture. For someone in suffering, the power to end your life can literaly be the difference between complete powerlessness and empowerment. I've been through a few bouts of depression and can confirm this first-hand.
- burke 8y agoYes, that is a religious belief.
- sridca 8y agoWhat is your country?
- Tsubasachan 8y agoNetherlands. People actually feel safe when they have a contract that allows them to be terminated when they get Alzheimer's for example. People want to live but on their own terms. Not spending 20 years in diapers tied to a bed or all alone wasting away with only a robot to talk to.
- rfreytag 8y agoLogans Run: how does the Netherlands avoid subtle or overt pressure on the elderly that 'it is their time to go?' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run I have seen doctors in the US all too often blame 'old age' for conditions that are preventable or can be significantly improved to forestall aging.
- downrightmike 8y agoThere is a limit to what people can endure. When you're standing on the 10 story of a building with the floors above and below burning and the fires are starting to overcome the 10th, jumping looks like a better option than slowly burning alive. Crippling disease or mental health are as real a threat as being stuck in a burning building. It is bleak, and may be hard to understand if you haven't been there.
- Tsubasachan 8y agoThere is always social pressure, it comes with living in a society. And ofcourse old people don't want to be dicks and be a drain on society or make their children's lives miserable. In Logan's run those seniors went willingly after all. When we were still ruled by nature there were never too many mouths to feed. For the first time in human history half of our citizens are going to be over 65 and there will be consequences.
- Markoff 8y agoi see problem with societal pressure for these people to kill themselves, certainly useful for some, but for sure also pressure for many people who should still live