3 ms·

Yes, this is one of many reasons I won't be having children. Couldn't live with myself knowing that they're going to have a worse life than I've had. Reproducin

Yes, this is one of many reasons I won't be having children. Couldn't live with myself knowing that they're going to have a worse life than I've had. Reproducing is also the worst possible thing you could do given our current situation anyway so I won't be part of it. I feel better knowing that even if I am living an unsustainable life (which I certainly am despite being very frugal) at least it ends with me.

icelancer 8y ago
> Reproducing is also the worst possible thing you could do given our current situation anyway This is absolutely false if you live north of the poverty line and are educated and wealthy (by world standards), which if you're commenting here, you probably are. Have kids or not, but don't delude yourself into thinking that it's bad. Rich people not having kids is literally the worst thing you can do with regards to children-based decisions on the effect of the state of the world.
- vasco 8y ago
  Rich or not they'll still make traffic worse and I'll have to wait in line longer at shops.
- adwhit 8y ago
  How can I bring a child into the world when it appears likely that the child will suffer greatly? The West hasn't really grappled with this question yet, but give it 15 years - when climate breakdown starts seriously affecting quality of life - and I expect the birthrate to crash.
  - coconut_crab 8y ago
    > How can I bring a child into the world when it appears likely that the child will suffer greatly? Suffer from what exactly? In my family, half of my father's siblings and cousins died from war and hunger, the rest also had to hide from constant bombing and assaults, in fact my grandmother's village was wiped completely from the map. Yet they have tried their best to build the country so that now I can type this comment, safe from any kinds of harm. I consider it is my duty to do the same for the next generation. IMO the society should support families with kids more, as they are nurturing the future of mankind, literally.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
      Previous generations lived with the threat of war, famine, infectious disease. Now we live with the threat of server climate change, that many people believe is likely to lead to war, famine, and infectious disease.
- black-tea 8y ago
  Nice arguments. I never thought about it that way.

icelancer 8y ago

> Reproducing is also the worst possible thing you could do given our current situation anyway This is absolutely false if you live north of the poverty line and are educated and wealthy (by world standards), which if you're commenting here, you probably are. Have kids or not, but don't delude yourself into thinking that it's bad. Rich people not having kids is literally the worst thing you can do with regards to children-based decisions on the effect of the state of the world.

vasco 8y ago
Rich or not they'll still make traffic worse and I'll have to wait in line longer at shops.
adwhit 8y ago
How can I bring a child into the world when it appears likely that the child will suffer greatly? The West hasn't really grappled with this question yet, but give it 15 years - when climate breakdown starts seriously affecting quality of life - and I expect the birthrate to crash.
- coconut_crab 8y ago
  > How can I bring a child into the world when it appears likely that the child will suffer greatly? Suffer from what exactly? In my family, half of my father's siblings and cousins died from war and hunger, the rest also had to hide from constant bombing and assaults, in fact my grandmother's village was wiped completely from the map. Yet they have tried their best to build the country so that now I can type this comment, safe from any kinds of harm. I consider it is my duty to do the same for the next generation. IMO the society should support families with kids more, as they are nurturing the future of mankind, literally.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
    Previous generations lived with the threat of war, famine, infectious disease. Now we live with the threat of server climate change, that many people believe is likely to lead to war, famine, and infectious disease.
black-tea 8y ago
Nice arguments. I never thought about it that way.