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How do you keep them from overstaying though?

FakeComments 8y ago
E-verify flags them as not having valid work authorization when their visa expires. If they reliably can’t find work when here illegally, then there’s less incentive to be here illegally.
ALittleLight 8y ago
e-verify. If they don't have a job and regular income it won't make sense for them to stay.
mc32 8y ago
Punish employers with heavy fines for e-verify violations. If no one hires you, no reason to stick around. This is what Japan does, Korea, Taiwan, etc. The US is way lenient on illegal entry and accommodating to irregular workers. In many countries the only way you get around that is if you work with the local mobsters --so only highly risk taking indivs take that opportunity.
- markdown 8y ago
  What is e-verify?
  - grzm 8y ago
    https://www.e-verify.gov https://www.e-verify.gov > "ABOUT E-VERIFY" > "E-Verify is a web-based system that allows enrolled employers to confirm the eligibility of their employees to work in the United States. E-Verify employers verify the identity and employment eligibility of newly hired employees by electronically matching information provided by employees on the Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification, against records available to the Social Security Administration (SSA) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)."
    - markdown 8y ago
      Thanks.
  - mc32 8y ago
    E-Verify dot gov. [https://www.e-verify.gov https://www.e-verify.gov]
- wyldfire 8y ago
  IIRC employers avoid this liability by executing the fraud themselves. There's no e-verify violation because they use legitimate SSNs from a living person, fraudulently. The workers aren't the problem, the employers are. Legislators and govt executives look the other way in order to preserve competitive agriculture.
  - mc32 8y ago
    Some restauranteurs and other cash businesses try and pull fast ones on the IRS. So the IRS conducts audits and has agents case suspect establishments. No reason DHS/ICE, whatever cannot do the same and jail fraudsters. If they, the Feds, can jail Martha Stewart on unrelated technicalities, they can jail these fraudsters. Start at the top, target big ones and work your way down to the small ones (they'll get the news and come correct).
    - ohithereyou 8y ago
      Martha Stewart, before she was a star, worked as a stockbroker and knew or should have known what she did was wrong.
      - mc32 8y ago
        Could be, but they didn’t get her on anything related stock trading and instead got her for “lying”. My point is, even if they are unable to catch them red handed (you’d have to be inept), ghetto can always find alternative methods to find someone guilty.
        ohithereyou 8y ago
        Is your position that lying to federal investigators is okay and should not be punished?
  - stale2002 8y ago
    Sure, so what we can do is punish employers who are found later to have employed people illegally. IE, if you get "tricked" via a stolen SSN, then the business gets punished regardless.

E-verify flags them as not having valid work authorization when their visa expires. If they reliably can’t find work when here illegally, then there’s less incentive to be here illegally.

ALittleLight 8y ago

e-verify. If they don't have a job and regular income it won't make sense for them to stay.

mc32 8y ago

Punish employers with heavy fines for e-verify violations. If no one hires you, no reason to stick around. This is what Japan does, Korea, Taiwan, etc. The US is way lenient on illegal entry and accommodating to irregular workers. In many countries the only way you get around that is if you work with the local mobsters --so only highly risk taking indivs take that opportunity.

markdown 8y ago
What is e-verify?
- grzm 8y ago
  https://www.e-verify.gov https://www.e-verify.gov > "ABOUT E-VERIFY" > "E-Verify is a web-based system that allows enrolled employers to confirm the eligibility of their employees to work in the United States. E-Verify employers verify the identity and employment eligibility of newly hired employees by electronically matching information provided by employees on the Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification, against records available to the Social Security Administration (SSA) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)."
  - markdown 8y ago
    Thanks.
- mc32 8y ago
  E-Verify dot gov. [https://www.e-verify.gov https://www.e-verify.gov]
wyldfire 8y ago
IIRC employers avoid this liability by executing the fraud themselves. There's no e-verify violation because they use legitimate SSNs from a living person, fraudulently. The workers aren't the problem, the employers are. Legislators and govt executives look the other way in order to preserve competitive agriculture.
- mc32 8y ago
  Some restauranteurs and other cash businesses try and pull fast ones on the IRS. So the IRS conducts audits and has agents case suspect establishments. No reason DHS/ICE, whatever cannot do the same and jail fraudsters. If they, the Feds, can jail Martha Stewart on unrelated technicalities, they can jail these fraudsters. Start at the top, target big ones and work your way down to the small ones (they'll get the news and come correct).
  - ohithereyou 8y ago
    Martha Stewart, before she was a star, worked as a stockbroker and knew or should have known what she did was wrong.
    - mc32 8y ago
      Could be, but they didn’t get her on anything related stock trading and instead got her for “lying”. My point is, even if they are unable to catch them red handed (you’d have to be inept), ghetto can always find alternative methods to find someone guilty.
      - ohithereyou 8y ago
        Is your position that lying to federal investigators is okay and should not be punished?
- stale2002 8y ago
  Sure, so what we can do is punish employers who are found later to have employed people illegally. IE, if you get "tricked" via a stolen SSN, then the business gets punished regardless.