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>As long as it is done through non-structural means, convincing people not to vote is a perfectly reasonable persuasion technique What if it is done fraudulent

>As long as it is done through non-structural means, convincing people not to vote is a perfectly reasonable persuasion technique What if it is done fraudulently? For example, lying to people about when/where to vote or lying about your opponent's positions. That doesn't seem like a reasonable technique to me.

andrewla 8y ago
That's a ridiculous straw man. None of the cases cited above or the referenced article refer to any techniques even bordering on that. I suspect those techniques are rarely used because when they are exposed as being fraudulent they are massively counterproductive to voter apathy.
- metamet 8y ago
  Pretty sure they were an integral part of pushing purely fraudulent conspiracies like Pizzagate, bolstered by Bannon's very own media arm's ability to amplify. > Breitbart is known for its anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim and anti-feminist sentiments, as well as for promoting far-right conspiracy theories like Pizzagate. > “We were testing all kinds of messages and all kinds of imagery. That included images of walls, people scaling walls. We tested ‘drain the swamp.’ Testing ideas of the ‘deep state’ and the NSA watching you—the government is conspiring against you,” the former Cambridge Analytica employee, Christopher Wylie, told CNN late Monday. Wylie said his work for Bannon went back to 2014. https://www.newsweek.com/watch-did-cambridge-analytica-use-facebook-data-snatch-election-trump-853351 https://www.newsweek.com/watch-did-cambridge-analytica-use-f...
- moorhosj 8y ago
  You made this comment: ==As long as it is done through non-structural means, convincing people not to vote is a perfectly reasonable persuasion technique== I took your own generic statement and asked you to further qualify it. I did this by posing a question (opposite of a straw man) and applying it to a hypothetical scenario (to make it realistic). I never accused anyone of doing it or claimed it was something you cited. I was trying to understand if there should be some type of qualifier on the phrase "convincing people not to vote is a perfectly reasonable persuasion technique" because it seems to me that it isn't a universal truth.
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andrewla 8y ago

That's a ridiculous straw man. None of the cases cited above or the referenced article refer to any techniques even bordering on that. I suspect those techniques are rarely used because when they are exposed as being fraudulent they are massively counterproductive to voter apathy.

metamet 8y ago
Pretty sure they were an integral part of pushing purely fraudulent conspiracies like Pizzagate, bolstered by Bannon's very own media arm's ability to amplify. > Breitbart is known for its anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim and anti-feminist sentiments, as well as for promoting far-right conspiracy theories like Pizzagate. > “We were testing all kinds of messages and all kinds of imagery. That included images of walls, people scaling walls. We tested ‘drain the swamp.’ Testing ideas of the ‘deep state’ and the NSA watching you—the government is conspiring against you,” the former Cambridge Analytica employee, Christopher Wylie, told CNN late Monday. Wylie said his work for Bannon went back to 2014. https://www.newsweek.com/watch-did-cambridge-analytica-use-facebook-data-snatch-election-trump-853351 https://www.newsweek.com/watch-did-cambridge-analytica-use-f...
moorhosj 8y ago
You made this comment: ==As long as it is done through non-structural means, convincing people not to vote is a perfectly reasonable persuasion technique== I took your own generic statement and asked you to further qualify it. I did this by posing a question (opposite of a straw man) and applying it to a hypothetical scenario (to make it realistic). I never accused anyone of doing it or claimed it was something you cited. I was trying to understand if there should be some type of qualifier on the phrase "convincing people not to vote is a perfectly reasonable persuasion technique" because it seems to me that it isn't a universal truth.

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