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Is it a little baffling to anyone else that Facebook's entire plan if Apple killed their research-app Onavo iOS workaround was "loudly point out that Google doe

Is it a little baffling to anyone else that Facebook's entire plan if Apple killed their research-app Onavo iOS workaround was "loudly point out that Google does it too"? Surely there must have been more to their contingency plan? They have great engineers and I'm surprised there wasn't more than a PR response up their sleeve. Just for example, in retrospect, why did they use the mainline Facebook iOS enterprise certificate to sign this app rather than a cert from one of their subsidiaries or acquisitions -- wouldn't that have de-risked a bit?

politician 8y ago
I'm pretty happy the way that Facebook is signaling the security of iOS by complaining that they have no other way to break into phones except by social engineering people to install root certificates. This episode is a win-win.
- alanlamm 8y ago
  Sorry to disappoint, but I think this is just one of many ways. example - as an iOS dev u want to advertise on fb. for that to be effective u want to track conversions. easiest way to do that, esp. for a small dev - add the facebook sdk to the app. and you're done - facebook can potentially hoover a lot of data from an app that has no obvious relation to it.
reaperducer 8y ago
Is it a little baffling to anyone else that Facebook's entire plan if Apple killed their research-app Onavo iOS workaround was "loudly point out that Google does it too"? Not to me. That’s pretty much how I expect Facebook to operate these days. Sadly, it’s not just Facebook. Pretty much every time any article posted on HN points out how Company X is misbehaving the thread is flooded with “But... but... Company Y does it, too!” It’s like the SV bubble falls back on the logic of a five-year-old whenever they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
- pertymcpert 8y ago
  Yes, Same thing with any criticism of China.
- chillacy 8y ago
  This happened with Apple too in the past when the news reported on the working conditions at Foxconn. But to be fair if two 5-year-old kids threw trash on the ground and the adults only punished one of them... you can imagine what happens.
vatueil 8y ago
It appears to be a routine tactic for Facebook. I guess it must work, so why stop? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/14/facebook-hired-pr-firm-that-wrote-negative-articles-about-rivals-nyt.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/14/facebook-hired-pr-firm-that-... > Facebook expanded its work with Definers Public Affairs, a Washington public relations firm, in October 2017 after enduring a years-worth of external criticism over its handling of Russian interference on its social network. > Definers Public Affairs wrote dozens of articles criticizing Google and Apple for their business practices while downplaying the impact of Russia's misinformation campaign on Facebook. > Facebook also used the firm to push the idea that liberal financier George Soros was behind a growing anti-Facebook movement. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/technology/facebook-definers-opposition-research.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/technology/facebook-defin... > Definers began doing some general communications work, such as running conference calls for Facebook. It also undertook more covert efforts to spread the blame for the rise of the Russian disinformation, pointing fingers at other companies like Google. > A key part of Definers’ strategy was NTK Network, a website that appeared to be a run-of-the-mill news aggregator with a right-wing slant. In fact, many of NTK Network’s stories were written by employees at Definers and America Rising, a sister firm, to criticize rivals of their clients, according to one former employee not allowed to speak about it publicly. The three outfits share some staff and offices in Arlington, Va. https://www.thedailybeast.com/facebook-busted-in-clumsy-smear-attempt-on-google https://www.thedailybeast.com/facebook-busted-in-clumsy-smea... > The social network secretly hired a PR firm to plant negative stories about the search giant, The Daily Beast's Dan Lyons reveals—a caper that is blowing up in their face, and escalating their war.

politician 8y ago

I'm pretty happy the way that Facebook is signaling the security of iOS by complaining that they have no other way to break into phones except by social engineering people to install root certificates. This episode is a win-win.

alanlamm 8y ago
Sorry to disappoint, but I think this is just one of many ways. example - as an iOS dev u want to advertise on fb. for that to be effective u want to track conversions. easiest way to do that, esp. for a small dev - add the facebook sdk to the app. and you're done - facebook can potentially hoover a lot of data from an app that has no obvious relation to it.

reaperducer 8y ago

Is it a little baffling to anyone else that Facebook's entire plan if Apple killed their research-app Onavo iOS workaround was "loudly point out that Google does it too"? Not to me. That’s pretty much how I expect Facebook to operate these days. Sadly, it’s not just Facebook. Pretty much every time any article posted on HN points out how Company X is misbehaving the thread is flooded with “But... but... Company Y does it, too!” It’s like the SV bubble falls back on the logic of a five-year-old whenever they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

pertymcpert 8y ago
Yes, Same thing with any criticism of China.
chillacy 8y ago
This happened with Apple too in the past when the news reported on the working conditions at Foxconn. But to be fair if two 5-year-old kids threw trash on the ground and the adults only punished one of them... you can imagine what happens.

vatueil 8y ago

It appears to be a routine tactic for Facebook. I guess it must work, so why stop? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/14/facebook-hired-pr-firm-that-wrote-negative-articles-about-rivals-nyt.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/14/facebook-hired-pr-firm-that-... > Facebook expanded its work with Definers Public Affairs, a Washington public relations firm, in October 2017 after enduring a years-worth of external criticism over its handling of Russian interference on its social network. > Definers Public Affairs wrote dozens of articles criticizing Google and Apple for their business practices while downplaying the impact of Russia's misinformation campaign on Facebook. > Facebook also used the firm to push the idea that liberal financier George Soros was behind a growing anti-Facebook movement. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/technology/facebook-definers-opposition-research.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/technology/facebook-defin... > Definers began doing some general communications work, such as running conference calls for Facebook. It also undertook more covert efforts to spread the blame for the rise of the Russian disinformation, pointing fingers at other companies like Google. > A key part of Definers’ strategy was NTK Network, a website that appeared to be a run-of-the-mill news aggregator with a right-wing slant. In fact, many of NTK Network’s stories were written by employees at Definers and America Rising, a sister firm, to criticize rivals of their clients, according to one former employee not allowed to speak about it publicly. The three outfits share some staff and offices in Arlington, Va. https://www.thedailybeast.com/facebook-busted-in-clumsy-smear-attempt-on-google https://www.thedailybeast.com/facebook-busted-in-clumsy-smea... > The social network secretly hired a PR firm to plant negative stories about the search giant, The Daily Beast's Dan Lyons reveals—a caper that is blowing up in their face, and escalating their war.