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> if I were on a team with people significantly younger than myself, I would be shitting bricks. I was noticeably older than most of the people in my team in A

> if I were on a team with people significantly younger than myself, I would be shitting bricks. I was noticeably older than most of the people in my team in Amazon, and I was never shitting bricks[1]. The ones not reaching performance targets were always crystal clear to _everyone_. If you can't spot the underachievers, maybe that's the time to worry. Despite how detailed the Amazon interview process is, people slip through the gaps and you end up with someone who somehow can barely write functional code, let alone maintainable code. Or you find the person is capable of writing code, just maybe not today, or tomorrow. Is the day after good with you? There are much more interesting things to be doing on-line instead of writing code. [1] I was reminiscing with a co-worker in the kitchen one lunchtime about the respective things we'd had to do to deal with the Y2K bug at the places we'd been working at. Another talented and very capable developer co-worker overheard us and commented "I'd never even touched a computer before, back then."

megaman8 8y ago
If a company is hiring people who can't write code then their hiring process has huge problems. In my 15 years of developer experience at 5+ companies, I've never once met a developer who couldn't code. I don't know where companies are finding all these developers who supposedly can't code.
- rightbyte 8y ago
  I often think that "programmers that can't code" is an euphemism for "programmer why won't do unpaid overtime to catch up on the code base" or "programmer who has no experience". The industry is not expecting mechanical engineers to actually do advanced work fresh of university but somehow in some places programmers are thought of as a ready worker package for the sewing machines. I'm also yet to meet these programmers who can't code. There are plenty of engineers that barely can code though, but they don't call themselves programmers. And there are plenty of inexperienced programmers that can't code and if they won't learn they will drop out for other positions.
- Twirrim 8y ago
  >If a company is hiring people who can't write code then their hiring process has huge problems. There's a difference between "can write code" and "will write code" which is what I was more intending to express in my post. Everyone that gets a Dev job in Amazon has to be able to pass multiple loops where development skills will be tested.
busterarm 8y ago
I've definitely had those dunning-kruger effect moments in my career where I thought I was an underperformer until I got feedback from management to confirm otherwise. In fact, I would say that most companies do not have much of a system at all for positive and negative feedback. It's usually one or the other and done badly.

megaman8 8y ago

If a company is hiring people who can't write code then their hiring process has huge problems. In my 15 years of developer experience at 5+ companies, I've never once met a developer who couldn't code. I don't know where companies are finding all these developers who supposedly can't code.

rightbyte 8y ago
I often think that "programmers that can't code" is an euphemism for "programmer why won't do unpaid overtime to catch up on the code base" or "programmer who has no experience". The industry is not expecting mechanical engineers to actually do advanced work fresh of university but somehow in some places programmers are thought of as a ready worker package for the sewing machines. I'm also yet to meet these programmers who can't code. There are plenty of engineers that barely can code though, but they don't call themselves programmers. And there are plenty of inexperienced programmers that can't code and if they won't learn they will drop out for other positions.
Twirrim 8y ago
>If a company is hiring people who can't write code then their hiring process has huge problems. There's a difference between "can write code" and "will write code" which is what I was more intending to express in my post. Everyone that gets a Dev job in Amazon has to be able to pass multiple loops where development skills will be tested.

busterarm 8y ago

I've definitely had those dunning-kruger effect moments in my career where I thought I was an underperformer until I got feedback from management to confirm otherwise. In fact, I would say that most companies do not have much of a system at all for positive and negative feedback. It's usually one or the other and done badly.