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A public regulator of tech oligopolies is a great idea. Until that happens we have few choices in whom we chose to trust. Apple is no corporate saint but for n

A public regulator of tech oligopolies is a great idea. Until that happens we have few choices in whom we chose to trust. Apple is no corporate saint but for now it is the best of the lot because of its business model.

scarface74 8y ago
You really trust the government to regulate tech fairly?
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  I trust them ("them" being developed-world democracies; obviously there are more concerns with, say, the Saudis) more than I trust tech to self-regulate. You're not going to get a self-imposed GDPR.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    But private corporations also can’t forceable take away your freedom and your property. If I have the choice between giving the government more power and private companies. I worry a lot more about government power.
    - ceejayoz 8y ago
      > But private corporations also can’t forceable take away your freedom and your property. Sure they can. GDPR was necessarily because tech has largely obliterated the right to privacy online, with like buttons, analytics, ad networks, etc.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        Well considering that the worse that corporations can do with data is sell your privacy compared to the worse that the government can do - throw you in jail if you give them too much power. I’d rather not give government more power. Trump has outright said that he is in favor of jailing journalists for spreading “fake news”. You know if the government passed a law to “protect privacy” they would give themselves an exemption and want a backdoor.
        ceejayoz 8y ago
        You can debate worst-case "the US gets taken over by Nazis" scenarios, but it's also important to consider current use. I find Facebook a far more significant currently active risk to my privacy than I do the government. I'd love to see a GDPR in the US.
        scarface74 8y ago
        I’m not debating the worse case. I’m going by history of how the FBI acted in the 60s during the Civil Rights Area and how it currently acts with the “War on Terror” and the “War on Drugs”. Having a government that is actively hostile to minorities - religious, race, nationality, or sexuality only takes a populist leader who speaks toward their prejudices....
        ceejayoz 8y ago
        Oh, come on. If we're going to go historical, we'll have to include company towns (which Facebook is revisiting as a concept, incidentally) and debt slavery, the Pinkertons machine gunning strikers...
        scarface74 8y ago
        It isn’t “historical” what is happening today in Gitmo, being able to be locked up without a trial if you are deemed a “terrorist”, or secret warrants.
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- strict9 8y ago
  Completely? No. But when it comes to data and privacy I think it'd be better than today's wild west. Who would have thought ten years ago so many people would be willingly give companies a live feed video stream of the inside and outside of your house, along with voice recordings of everything?
  - scarface74 8y ago
    And the government would never use its power to design laws against its enemies in a Democratic society. A Democratic society ruled by the majority never passes laws that discriminate against minorities and is never hostile against minorities....
- lostlogin 8y ago
  It depends which one.
- mikestew 8y ago
  Government regulation often comes about as a result of failure to self-regulate. Facebook doesn't care about torches and pitchforks, but your Congressional representative does. Now, were FB (or tech companies in general) smart, they'd self-regulate before the citizenry starts digging in the garden shed for implements. But tech companies, and especially FB lately, aren't smart. And, like the three year olds their maturity reflects, they bitch and moan when the hammer comes down. Well hey, Ayn, I've got an idea: stick a finger to the wind and sort your shit before the Big, Bad Government(tm) comes a-knockin'. Because when they come, shit's going to change and probably not in a way you like. Might as well get out in front of that narrative.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    My congressional representative is spending 2/3rds of his time fundraising. https://bulletin.represent.us/much-time-congress-members-spend-fundraising/ https://bulletin.represent.us/much-time-congress-members-spe... Especially in the south, the only thing they have to do is demonize “them”, wave a bible in one hand and a gun in the other to get re-elected while raising money from corporations. Neither they nor their constituents vote based on “privacy”.

scarface74 8y ago

You really trust the government to regulate tech fairly?

ceejayoz 8y ago
I trust them ("them" being developed-world democracies; obviously there are more concerns with, say, the Saudis) more than I trust tech to self-regulate. You're not going to get a self-imposed GDPR.
- scarface74 8y ago
  But private corporations also can’t forceable take away your freedom and your property. If I have the choice between giving the government more power and private companies. I worry a lot more about government power.
  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    > But private corporations also can’t forceable take away your freedom and your property. Sure they can. GDPR was necessarily because tech has largely obliterated the right to privacy online, with like buttons, analytics, ad networks, etc.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      Well considering that the worse that corporations can do with data is sell your privacy compared to the worse that the government can do - throw you in jail if you give them too much power. I’d rather not give government more power. Trump has outright said that he is in favor of jailing journalists for spreading “fake news”. You know if the government passed a law to “protect privacy” they would give themselves an exemption and want a backdoor.
      - ceejayoz 8y ago
        You can debate worst-case "the US gets taken over by Nazis" scenarios, but it's also important to consider current use. I find Facebook a far more significant currently active risk to my privacy than I do the government. I'd love to see a GDPR in the US.
        scarface74 8y ago
        I’m not debating the worse case. I’m going by history of how the FBI acted in the 60s during the Civil Rights Area and how it currently acts with the “War on Terror” and the “War on Drugs”. Having a government that is actively hostile to minorities - religious, race, nationality, or sexuality only takes a populist leader who speaks toward their prejudices....
        ceejayoz 8y ago
        Oh, come on. If we're going to go historical, we'll have to include company towns (which Facebook is revisiting as a concept, incidentally) and debt slavery, the Pinkertons machine gunning strikers...
        scarface74 8y ago
        It isn’t “historical” what is happening today in Gitmo, being able to be locked up without a trial if you are deemed a “terrorist”, or secret warrants.
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strict9 8y ago
Completely? No. But when it comes to data and privacy I think it'd be better than today's wild west. Who would have thought ten years ago so many people would be willingly give companies a live feed video stream of the inside and outside of your house, along with voice recordings of everything?
- scarface74 8y ago
  And the government would never use its power to design laws against its enemies in a Democratic society. A Democratic society ruled by the majority never passes laws that discriminate against minorities and is never hostile against minorities....
lostlogin 8y ago
It depends which one.
mikestew 8y ago
Government regulation often comes about as a result of failure to self-regulate. Facebook doesn't care about torches and pitchforks, but your Congressional representative does. Now, were FB (or tech companies in general) smart, they'd self-regulate before the citizenry starts digging in the garden shed for implements. But tech companies, and especially FB lately, aren't smart. And, like the three year olds their maturity reflects, they bitch and moan when the hammer comes down. Well hey, Ayn, I've got an idea: stick a finger to the wind and sort your shit before the Big, Bad Government(tm) comes a-knockin'. Because when they come, shit's going to change and probably not in a way you like. Might as well get out in front of that narrative.
- scarface74 8y ago
  My congressional representative is spending 2/3rds of his time fundraising. https://bulletin.represent.us/much-time-congress-members-spend-fundraising/ https://bulletin.represent.us/much-time-congress-members-spe... Especially in the south, the only thing they have to do is demonize “them”, wave a bible in one hand and a gun in the other to get re-elected while raising money from corporations. Neither they nor their constituents vote based on “privacy”.