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It is debatable of course. But the current consensus is that property is not fundamental to the existence of a human. The term property doesn't appear once on

It is debatable of course. But the current consensus is that property is not fundamental to the existence of a human. The term property doesn't appear once on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human.... Following your tomato example, you grew the tomato on some land and the plant absorbed nutrients from the land. Who gave your the right to do that? Do you own the nutrients? How did humans come to own land? Was everybody born with their piece which they chose to trade? Of course not. What we call property came about over thousands of years due to complex interactions between people. There is a concept of fairness to getting to keep what you made. But, there is nothing simple or fundamental about it.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
>Following your tomato example, you grew the tomato on some land and the plant absorbed nutrients from the land. Who gave your the right to do that? Do you own the nutrients? >Who gave your the right to do that? Do you own the nutrients? If I lend you a pen and expressly state that I want it back when you're done and you use some of the ink in the pen that's to be expected. If I rent you land it's foreseeable that you might grow something on it and unless our agreement stipulates that you can't it's implied that you can. When property is in the hands of someone else we don't bother controlling for the common use cases. If I let you borrow my pen I expect you to write with it. If I sell you a pen it comes with the ink in it. If I rent you land I can expect you to grow something on it. If I sell you land it comes with everything therein. We specifically negotiate for the uncommon use cases (e.g. mining/timber rights) >How did humans come to own land? Was everybody born with their piece which they chose to trade? Of course not. This is a sideshow and not material to the conversation. Pretty much all land in the world is owned by someone or some entity. There is a chain of ownership. If you go back far enough the land was owned by whoever was there first.
maceurt 8y ago
Blatantly false. I looked it up, and actually it is included in the universal declaration of human rights. Maybe next time don't just ctrl+f the wikepedia entry and instead actually look at the document you moron. http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ > (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago

>Following your tomato example, you grew the tomato on some land and the plant absorbed nutrients from the land. Who gave your the right to do that? Do you own the nutrients? >Who gave your the right to do that? Do you own the nutrients? If I lend you a pen and expressly state that I want it back when you're done and you use some of the ink in the pen that's to be expected. If I rent you land it's foreseeable that you might grow something on it and unless our agreement stipulates that you can't it's implied that you can. When property is in the hands of someone else we don't bother controlling for the common use cases. If I let you borrow my pen I expect you to write with it. If I sell you a pen it comes with the ink in it. If I rent you land I can expect you to grow something on it. If I sell you land it comes with everything therein. We specifically negotiate for the uncommon use cases (e.g. mining/timber rights) >How did humans come to own land? Was everybody born with their piece which they chose to trade? Of course not. This is a sideshow and not material to the conversation. Pretty much all land in the world is owned by someone or some entity. There is a chain of ownership. If you go back far enough the land was owned by whoever was there first.

maceurt 8y ago

Blatantly false. I looked it up, and actually it is included in the universal declaration of human rights. Maybe next time don't just ctrl+f the wikepedia entry and instead actually look at the document you moron. http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ > (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.