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There's only one activity you do when watching TV and that is... watch TV. Even on SmartTV sets, the amount of data the screens can gather is limited in scope a

There's only one activity you do when watching TV and that is... watch TV. Even on SmartTV sets, the amount of data the screens can gather is limited in scope and quantity. There are all sorts of things you do with your smartphone and this VPN tracks all of them.

Negitivefrags 8y ago
People also agree to lower insurance premiums in exchange for having a GPS tracker installed on their car. I guess my point is that the concept of being directly paid to give up elements of privacy is a well established concept. I also think it's extremely patronising to the poor to assume that they don't understand what trade off they are making.
- supergauntlet 8y ago
  >People also agree to lower insurance premiums in exchange for having a GPS tracker installed on their car. and that should make you uncomfortable too! how on earth can you justify this with an equally insane analogue?
  - fromMars 8y ago
    Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it makes everyone uncomfortable. I agree with the previous user that it isn't that different than what Nielsen does to collect TV ratings. Maybe Facebook's execution here wasn't the best, i.e., I agree that a better device would have some limitations as to what kind of data it could access.
  - throwawaymath 8y ago
    I don't know, I'm pretty okay with that... Why is, "I don't really care" not enough of a justification for you that I don't mind putting a GPS tracker on my car?
  - closeparen 8y ago
    It should make you uncomfortable that safe drivers subsidize dangerous drivers.
- pritambaral 8y ago
  > lower insurance premiums in exchange for having a GPS tracker installed on their car Car insurance. Scope limited to car's location tracking. This is Facebook, getting access to all of one's online (PKI-based TLS) traffic. Not just mail, banking, etc. All. Calling this wide scope "elements of privacy" is a bit disingenuous in this day and age.

Negitivefrags 8y ago

People also agree to lower insurance premiums in exchange for having a GPS tracker installed on their car. I guess my point is that the concept of being directly paid to give up elements of privacy is a well established concept. I also think it's extremely patronising to the poor to assume that they don't understand what trade off they are making.

supergauntlet 8y ago
>People also agree to lower insurance premiums in exchange for having a GPS tracker installed on their car. and that should make you uncomfortable too! how on earth can you justify this with an equally insane analogue?
- fromMars 8y ago
  Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it makes everyone uncomfortable. I agree with the previous user that it isn't that different than what Nielsen does to collect TV ratings. Maybe Facebook's execution here wasn't the best, i.e., I agree that a better device would have some limitations as to what kind of data it could access.
- throwawaymath 8y ago
  I don't know, I'm pretty okay with that... Why is, "I don't really care" not enough of a justification for you that I don't mind putting a GPS tracker on my car?
- closeparen 8y ago
  It should make you uncomfortable that safe drivers subsidize dangerous drivers.
pritambaral 8y ago
> lower insurance premiums in exchange for having a GPS tracker installed on their car Car insurance. Scope limited to car's location tracking. This is Facebook, getting access to all of one's online (PKI-based TLS) traffic. Not just mail, banking, etc. All. Calling this wide scope "elements of privacy" is a bit disingenuous in this day and age.