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Lumping climate change skeptics in with creationists is a bit much. I know that the evidence for human-caused climate change is strong enough that the skeptics

Lumping climate change skeptics in with creationists is a bit much. I know that the evidence for human-caused climate change is strong enough that the skeptics are very likely wrong, but people who refuse to accept the theory of evolution are on another level of willful ignorance.

natechols 8y ago
These groups frequently overlap, however, and their attacks on the mainstream scientific community sound awfully similar.
waynecochran 8y ago
Yes, the Theory of Evolution is a scientific theory. There is no scientific theory for climate change that I am aware of -- just many/most scientists who think the evidence for climate change is significant.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > There is no scientific theory for climate change that I am aware of The relevant analog of the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection would be the Greenhouse Theory of Climate Change.
CamperBob2 8y ago
Agreed. I was a regular contributor to NCSE until they started doing this. We may still wake up one day and realize that all our climate models are hopelessly wrong, in one direction or the other. We are not going to wake up one day and realize that the core tenets of evolutionary biology are wrong. It does no favor to either of these sciences to place them on the same footing of certainty.
IfOnlyYouKnew 8y ago
I seem to remember a community much like this one, ca 15 years ago (slashdot) where threads regularly devolved into flame wars between creationists and scientists. Each sides’ side hustles (“mens’ rights“, income inequality) has remained the same, so I’m confident to say we’re seeing the same old war on a new green field. (But at least creationism seems mostly dead these days, this article nonewithstanding)
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Lumping climate change skeptics in with creationists is a bit much. They are serving the same political interests with their advocacy, using similar dishonest techniques, and are often even literally the same people. They effectively have lumped themselves together.

natechols 8y ago

These groups frequently overlap, however, and their attacks on the mainstream scientific community sound awfully similar.

waynecochran 8y ago

Yes, the Theory of Evolution is a scientific theory. There is no scientific theory for climate change that I am aware of -- just many/most scientists who think the evidence for climate change is significant.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> There is no scientific theory for climate change that I am aware of The relevant analog of the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection would be the Greenhouse Theory of Climate Change.

CamperBob2 8y ago

Agreed. I was a regular contributor to NCSE until they started doing this. We may still wake up one day and realize that all our climate models are hopelessly wrong, in one direction or the other. We are not going to wake up one day and realize that the core tenets of evolutionary biology are wrong. It does no favor to either of these sciences to place them on the same footing of certainty.

IfOnlyYouKnew 8y ago

I seem to remember a community much like this one, ca 15 years ago (slashdot) where threads regularly devolved into flame wars between creationists and scientists. Each sides’ side hustles (“mens’ rights“, income inequality) has remained the same, so I’m confident to say we’re seeing the same old war on a new green field. (But at least creationism seems mostly dead these days, this article nonewithstanding)

dragonwriter 8y ago

> Lumping climate change skeptics in with creationists is a bit much. They are serving the same political interests with their advocacy, using similar dishonest techniques, and are often even literally the same people. They effectively have lumped themselves together.