In the mid-1990s, I corresponded briefly with Cliff, and he seemed amicable enough; The one thing I recall from our emails is that he was adamant that he didn't

In the mid-1990s, I corresponded briefly with Cliff, and he seemed amicable enough; The one thing I recall from our emails is that he was adamant that he didn't persecute 'hackers', apparently pursuing a semantic split between 'hacker' and 'cracker'. I talked a lot with Hans Hubner as well afterward when he worked at Art+COM, a good bit more than Cliff. I found Hans to be extremely generous, the sort of guy who was just flattered that you sought him out and would literally create an account on his Unix and VMS hosts if you just asked, despite the expensive metered rate he was paying for TCP/IP access at the time. He didn't talk much about the whole Cuckoo's Egg saga though. Very nice people on both sides; Makes you wonder how much of it was circumstance.