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Why does he have to give back money or soul search? This isa common emotional take on all issues of this type. Human experience is dynamic and people seem to

Why does he have to give back money or soul search? This isa common emotional take on all issues of this type. Human experience is dynamic and people seem to confuse a need for some type of life consistency of values with the validity of a "hot take" or conclusion. I wish people would be like "im rich from it, get over it, but I realize it's the devil." I feel like the disintegration in good faith debate is mostly fucked because of the ease in which social media allows for an ad hominem fallacy. rant over//

mindgam3 8y ago
Sure, nobody has to do anything. In this case I think doing some of his own inner work would make his current stance of moral outrage more credible. People in glass houses, etc. Otherwise it’s way too easy to dismiss his (valid) concerns by attacking his own credibility. I’m not arguing whether this type of “ad hominem” is right or wrong. I’m not even convinced that this is a true ad hominem, but let’s leave that aside. I’m saying that credibility matters. I deeply believe in the message he is trying to spread about bringing ethics and morality into facebook, but we need our morality prophets to practice what they preach. Otherwise the message gets lost.
floatrock 8y ago
Because values are something you live, and if you write a book about values which you don't appear to practice, well, you kinda come across as selling horseshit. You know, that whole "actions speak louder than words" thing. I don't really know much about McNamee so please inform me if he's spent his facebook wealth on something to counter the dystopia that he invested in. I might buy his book if you compare him to someone like Bill Gates, who also was a ruthless monopolist who created a dystopia of talking paperclips but now when he talks about the existential threat of climate change or various humanitarian issues, you know that he's pledged most of his fortune to fund people working on those things. That's a case when you should buy the horseshit because you can see the horse is at least shitting what he purports to believe.
- bksenior 8y ago
  You can have a good idea from a bad source. It doesn't really affect the quality of the idea.
  - floatrock 8y ago
    Are we talking about an idea or ideals? As an idea, FB is monstrously successful.

mindgam3 8y ago

Sure, nobody has to do anything. In this case I think doing some of his own inner work would make his current stance of moral outrage more credible. People in glass houses, etc. Otherwise it’s way too easy to dismiss his (valid) concerns by attacking his own credibility. I’m not arguing whether this type of “ad hominem” is right or wrong. I’m not even convinced that this is a true ad hominem, but let’s leave that aside. I’m saying that credibility matters. I deeply believe in the message he is trying to spread about bringing ethics and morality into facebook, but we need our morality prophets to practice what they preach. Otherwise the message gets lost.

floatrock 8y ago

Because values are something you live, and if you write a book about values which you don't appear to practice, well, you kinda come across as selling horseshit. You know, that whole "actions speak louder than words" thing. I don't really know much about McNamee so please inform me if he's spent his facebook wealth on something to counter the dystopia that he invested in. I might buy his book if you compare him to someone like Bill Gates, who also was a ruthless monopolist who created a dystopia of talking paperclips but now when he talks about the existential threat of climate change or various humanitarian issues, you know that he's pledged most of his fortune to fund people working on those things. That's a case when you should buy the horseshit because you can see the horse is at least shitting what he purports to believe.

bksenior 8y ago
You can have a good idea from a bad source. It doesn't really affect the quality of the idea.
- floatrock 8y ago
  Are we talking about an idea or ideals? As an idea, FB is monstrously successful.