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This case has been going on so long it's funny to think about how differently I used to perceive both Oracle and Google back when it started.

exabrial 8y ago
I was thinking the same thing. At the time Google was the unsung hero defending our rights. Now Google won't let you subscribe to podcasts in their app unless you turn on location history storage, like those two things are actually mutually exclusive. It's unbelievable that Oracle is still pursuing this, despite the obvious consequences _for its own survival_. Their main product copied APIs and even the SQL language itself.
- fixermark 8y ago
  Quick question: what is their podcasting app? I use BeyondPod, so I wasn't aware Google had any offering in this space.
  - lmpostor 8y ago
    Google play music has podcasts as well.
  - astura 8y ago
    You can subscribe to podcasts with Google Play Music: https://support.google.com/googleplaymusic/answer/6343833?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplaymusic/answer/6343833?hl... They also apparently have a standalone podcast app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.podcasts&hl=en_US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...
    - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
      I see google doing the same thing twice. Now... which one do I gamble won't reach EOL first.
      - dingo_bat 8y ago
        Play music is already announced to be killed off.
      - amaccuish 8y ago
        They actually had an app way back called Google Listen, which was EOL'd... https://www.androidcentral.com/google-listen-officially-dead https://www.androidcentral.com/google-listen-officially-dead
- tivert 8y ago
  > Now Google won't let you subscribe to podcasts in their app unless you turn on location history storage, like those two things are actually mutually exclusive. Have they made any statement on why that? I don't use their podcast app, but that's particularly egregious. I've seen similar stuff with Android Auto/Google Assistant requiring Web & Location History; but I gave them a bit more benefit of the doubt because that data could be used for needed context to answer voice queries, and I could see them not wanting to create special cases that did not use those permissions for business reasons.
  - exabrial 8y ago
    Do you have an android phone? It would literally take you 1m30s to verify this.
- stickfigure 8y ago
  Their main product copied APIs and even the SQL language itself. This is a really interesting point. Presumably IBM owns the copyright on SQL ("SEQUEL"); is there anything that prevents them from suing Oracle (and everyone else) for royalties?
  - pulse7 8y ago
    In this case Oracle should hand over 90% of all profits since 1979 to IBM...
    - rbanffy 8y ago
      That'd be fun, wouldn't it? Oracle probably has a good couple parents that are absolutely essential to IBM or that would have already happened. MAD works.
- DerekL 8y ago
  > At the time Google was the unsung hero defending our rights. Now Google won't let you subscribe to podcasts in their app unless you turn on location history storage, like those two things are actually mutually exclusive. Okay, so you don't like how their podcast app works, but how does this violate your rights?
ariwilson 8y ago
Sorry, what? Oracle is still on another deeper level of hell than any other major software company.

exabrial 8y ago

I was thinking the same thing. At the time Google was the unsung hero defending our rights. Now Google won't let you subscribe to podcasts in their app unless you turn on location history storage, like those two things are actually mutually exclusive. It's unbelievable that Oracle is still pursuing this, despite the obvious consequences _for its own survival_. Their main product copied APIs and even the SQL language itself.

fixermark 8y ago
Quick question: what is their podcasting app? I use BeyondPod, so I wasn't aware Google had any offering in this space.
- lmpostor 8y ago
  Google play music has podcasts as well.
- astura 8y ago
  You can subscribe to podcasts with Google Play Music: https://support.google.com/googleplaymusic/answer/6343833?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplaymusic/answer/6343833?hl... They also apparently have a standalone podcast app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.podcasts&hl=en_US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    I see google doing the same thing twice. Now... which one do I gamble won't reach EOL first.
    - dingo_bat 8y ago
      Play music is already announced to be killed off.
    - amaccuish 8y ago
      They actually had an app way back called Google Listen, which was EOL'd... https://www.androidcentral.com/google-listen-officially-dead https://www.androidcentral.com/google-listen-officially-dead
tivert 8y ago
> Now Google won't let you subscribe to podcasts in their app unless you turn on location history storage, like those two things are actually mutually exclusive. Have they made any statement on why that? I don't use their podcast app, but that's particularly egregious. I've seen similar stuff with Android Auto/Google Assistant requiring Web & Location History; but I gave them a bit more benefit of the doubt because that data could be used for needed context to answer voice queries, and I could see them not wanting to create special cases that did not use those permissions for business reasons.
- exabrial 8y ago
  Do you have an android phone? It would literally take you 1m30s to verify this.
stickfigure 8y ago
Their main product copied APIs and even the SQL language itself. This is a really interesting point. Presumably IBM owns the copyright on SQL ("SEQUEL"); is there anything that prevents them from suing Oracle (and everyone else) for royalties?
- pulse7 8y ago
  In this case Oracle should hand over 90% of all profits since 1979 to IBM...
  - rbanffy 8y ago
    That'd be fun, wouldn't it? Oracle probably has a good couple parents that are absolutely essential to IBM or that would have already happened. MAD works.
DerekL 8y ago
> At the time Google was the unsung hero defending our rights. Now Google won't let you subscribe to podcasts in their app unless you turn on location history storage, like those two things are actually mutually exclusive. Okay, so you don't like how their podcast app works, but how does this violate your rights?

ariwilson 8y ago

Sorry, what? Oracle is still on another deeper level of hell than any other major software company.