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Why do you still use it?

ForHackernews 8y ago
"Choose Firefox now, or later you won't have a choice" https://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/08/choose-firefox-now-or-later-you-wont.html https://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/08/choose-firefox-now-or-l...
- ekianjo 8y ago
  Honestly that's a very poor rationale. People should be choosing Firefox because it's a better product or a more ethical one (sadly they are doing a poor job at convincing us of that), not because we need to keep a competitor alive forever no matter what.
  - ForHackernews 8y ago
    I'll happily use a (marginally) inferior competitor because I value competition for its own sake. I use Firefox, DuckDuckGo, Bing Maps.
    - ekianjo 8y ago
      Yes, you can do that. But if you want it to be sustainable, you can't use that kind of line to convince people at large. And note that until Firefox 57, Firefox was not "marginally" inferior, it was substantially inferior in a number of metrics. They have improved since then, but it took them a very long time - you can't expect users to wait forever for you.
      - ForHackernews 8y ago
        If we can't expect educated, tech-savvy users on HN to take the long view and support Mozilla, then I guess you're saying the game is already lost. We might as well just make our peace that the age of an open internet and general-purpose computing is coming to an end. In future, we'll enjoy AOL 2.0 access on our Google Home Terminal Appliances.
        ekianjo 8y ago
        I was talking about "people at large", not HN users.
  - AsyncAwait 8y ago
    Since Quantum, I actually find it to be a better product.
  - Shorel 8y ago
    Right now, it is both, it is a better product and a more ethical one. If people will not use it for these reasons now, then they will not be able to use it in the future. That's the argument, and it seems pretty straightforward to me.
    - jhasse 8y ago
      > it is a better product Maybe for you. For me, it's unuseable until they add hardware accelerated video decoding.
  - Dirlewanger 8y ago
    Regardless of the reason why, we're now reaping the fruits of Google's unchecked rampage across the browser space, what with Chromium/WebKit all but taking over. Mozilla continues to be starved for cash. Most Firefox users despise one of its only monetization strategies (selling advertisements). FF would be dead tomorrow if Yahoo (or whoever the default search engine is) pulled their funding. Mozilla is surrounded by rocks and hard places on all sides, what else can they do?
  - Wowfunhappy 8y ago
    "Should be" doesn't get us anywhere. The rationale is sound, regardless of whether it should be.
ekianjo 8y ago
For the lack of better alternatives (I need some specific extensions, and I don't want to use Chrome). I also use alternative browsers like qutebrowser but it cannot replace everything I need to do.
- vezycash 8y ago
  There is an extension called Chrome Store Foxified. It's like wine for Firefox. Check it out.
  - PurpleRamen 8y ago
    [..]This add-on has been discontinued. I am leaving it here because it still works in some versions of Firefox. Discontinue Notice and Discussion[..] Source: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/chrome-store-foxified/ https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/chrome-store-fox... The linked discussion makes the impression that they try to revive it.
- JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
  Have you tried Brave? I'm really liking it.
  - ekianjo 8y ago
    Nope, I want no ads in my browsers and Brave does not interest me in that sense.

"Choose Firefox now, or later you won't have a choice" https://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/08/choose-firefox-now-or-later-you-wont.html https://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/08/choose-firefox-now-or-l...

ekianjo 8y ago
Honestly that's a very poor rationale. People should be choosing Firefox because it's a better product or a more ethical one (sadly they are doing a poor job at convincing us of that), not because we need to keep a competitor alive forever no matter what.
- ForHackernews 8y ago
  I'll happily use a (marginally) inferior competitor because I value competition for its own sake. I use Firefox, DuckDuckGo, Bing Maps.
  - ekianjo 8y ago
    Yes, you can do that. But if you want it to be sustainable, you can't use that kind of line to convince people at large. And note that until Firefox 57, Firefox was not "marginally" inferior, it was substantially inferior in a number of metrics. They have improved since then, but it took them a very long time - you can't expect users to wait forever for you.
    - ForHackernews 8y ago
      If we can't expect educated, tech-savvy users on HN to take the long view and support Mozilla, then I guess you're saying the game is already lost. We might as well just make our peace that the age of an open internet and general-purpose computing is coming to an end. In future, we'll enjoy AOL 2.0 access on our Google Home Terminal Appliances.
      - ekianjo 8y ago
        I was talking about "people at large", not HN users.
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  Since Quantum, I actually find it to be a better product.
- Shorel 8y ago
  Right now, it is both, it is a better product and a more ethical one. If people will not use it for these reasons now, then they will not be able to use it in the future. That's the argument, and it seems pretty straightforward to me.
  - jhasse 8y ago
    > it is a better product Maybe for you. For me, it's unuseable until they add hardware accelerated video decoding.
- Dirlewanger 8y ago
  Regardless of the reason why, we're now reaping the fruits of Google's unchecked rampage across the browser space, what with Chromium/WebKit all but taking over. Mozilla continues to be starved for cash. Most Firefox users despise one of its only monetization strategies (selling advertisements). FF would be dead tomorrow if Yahoo (or whoever the default search engine is) pulled their funding. Mozilla is surrounded by rocks and hard places on all sides, what else can they do?
- Wowfunhappy 8y ago
  "Should be" doesn't get us anywhere. The rationale is sound, regardless of whether it should be.

ekianjo 8y ago

For the lack of better alternatives (I need some specific extensions, and I don't want to use Chrome). I also use alternative browsers like qutebrowser but it cannot replace everything I need to do.

vezycash 8y ago
There is an extension called Chrome Store Foxified. It's like wine for Firefox. Check it out.
- PurpleRamen 8y ago
  [..]This add-on has been discontinued. I am leaving it here because it still works in some versions of Firefox. Discontinue Notice and Discussion[..] Source: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/chrome-store-foxified/ https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/chrome-store-fox... The linked discussion makes the impression that they try to revive it.
JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
Have you tried Brave? I'm really liking it.
- ekianjo 8y ago
  Nope, I want no ads in my browsers and Brave does not interest me in that sense.