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We managed to centralize everything, email, git, even the web. I understand 99.99 looks fine, but is somewhat sad to see half the world without email.
by zulgan 8y ago
We managed to centralize everything, email, git, even the web. I understand 99.99 looks fine, but is somewhat sad to see half the world without email.
- malchow 8y agoIt would be nice to have an internet again.
- jasonvorhe 8y agoThey posted on the internet, using the internet.
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- airstrike 8y agoI'd be happy to move away from Gmail. Unfortunatelty, I happen to hate spam so that's not really an option.
- ocdtrekkie 8y agoMy Gmail account gets more spam in a week than I've gotten in the two years I've had FastMail. And Gmail's spam filter is surprisingly easy to defeat, considering. For months, putting "- -" at the start of the subject line would trick Gmail and put it in your normal inbox. (I just looked, and it looks like they've fixed it, but back in December it was bad.) This myth that nobody but Gmail can handle spam needs to die. It was true in 2006, but it is not true in 2019.
- leokennis 8y agoI’m on Fastmail. Spam is filtered out perfectly and no false positives in 2 years of service. Make the move away from Google, don’t be scared and don’t be guided by false excuses.
- poidos 8y agoAnother +1 for Fastmail.
- ohithereyou 8y agoI hope you like paying per mailbox. That's a non-starter for someone like me who handles mail for 10-20 of my friends on my own domain. That's $500-$1000 a year on Fastmail's Standard plan, the lowest tier plan that allows you to use your own domain.
- blackbrokkoli 8y agoI fail to see your point here, we're looking at the situation of someone stuck on Gmail. Nobody is suggesting that people should give up their homebrew domain system in favor of fastmail.
- lozaning 8y agoDo you know of an email provider that doesn't work this way? Asking because I'm currently using gmail for a little project and make use of aliases and catch alls and then make and remove additional accounts as I need those accounts to be able to send mail in addition to receiving it. Im not really interested in managing everything that I perceive goes into managing my own email server (ip reputation management and having to keep a box online 24/7)
- goatsi 8y agohttps://www.migadu.com https://www.migadu.com Lets you use unlimited domains, addresses and has regex based catchalls. The only difference between their plans is the amount of outgoing email you can send. I've been using them for a couple of domains for nearly a year with no issues.
- lozaning 8y agoWOW! This is perfect and much cheaper than i thought it would be. Thanks for the recommendation!
- reaperducer 8y agoI'd be happy to move away from Gmail. Unfortunatelty, I happen to hate spam so that's not really an option That was what kept me on GMail for so long. But about a month ago I moved several accounts to FastMail (at the urging of others on HN), and have been pleasantly surprised by the results. FM seems to have a lot fewer false positives, and the amount of spam that gets through seems only marginally more than with GMail. FM offers a 30-day free trial, which even includes using your own domain. That I found surprising. Usually trials so restricted you can't really get a sense of what you're getting into.
- walkingolof 8y agoThe calender/contact function in Fastmail is also worth mentioning, I moved from gmail once it was in place.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y agoDid not have the same results regarding spam on Fastmail. I still use them for a mostly private email address that friends have, but it never did a great job with a highly public email address. It doesn’t look like they’re doing much beyond what I did 10+ years ago when I was running high volume mail servers and it was never enough: https://www.fastmail.com/help/technical/spamchecks.html https://www.fastmail.com/help/technical/spamchecks.html
- justusthane 8y agoSorry, but another +1 for FM. I've been with them for a couple years now (after 10 years on Gmail) and haven't noticed any increase in spam. And I'm not shy about publishing my email address on the web.
- otter-in-a-suit 8y agoI've been using Zoho since 2013 and never had issues with spam. It's $25 p.a. and offer's all the bells and whistles I need (multiple domains and unlimited email aliases, DKIM, SPIF, 2FA + application passwords).
- josefresco 8y agoI believe Google (G Suite) only claims 99.9% - sounds small, is actually a huge difference. They typically achieve a better % but that is all they "guarantee". "Service Credit" means: (a) 10% of the total invoice charges for the affected month if the Monthly Uptime Percentage for any calendar month is between 99.0% and 99.9%; or (b) 25% of the total invoice charges for the affected month if the Monthly Uptime Percentage for any calendar month is between 99.0% and 95.0 %; or (c) 50% of the total invoice charges for the affected month if the Monthly Uptime Percentage for any calendar month is less than 95.0%. Source: https://gsuite.google.com/terms/partner_sla.html https://gsuite.google.com/terms/partner_sla.html Edit: It appears Microsoft/Office 365 offers the same SLA / 99.9%
- Balgair 8y agoFor reference: over the course of a year, if you have an uptime of 99%, that means you are down for 3 days 15 hours per year. If you have 99.9% uptime, that means the downtime is roughly 9 hours per year. If you have 99.99% up, then the down is ~ 53 minutes per year. 99.999% then gives you ~5 minutes of down per year. 99.9999% will then give you ~31 seconds of downtime per year. One thing to keep in mind is that for each 9 of uptime you have, add about two Zeros to the budget and increase the timeline by one time units up and then double it. So if 99% costs you $100 and a day of timeline on the project, then 99.9% will cost you $10,000 and two weeks of timeline, and 99.99% will cost you $1,000,000 and 4 months of timeline, and 99.999% will cost you $100,000,000 and 8 years of timeline, etc.
- zzzcpan 8y ago> for each 9 of uptime you have, add about two Zeros to the budget It's more like going from the stone age to the bronze age. You need expertise and architecture suitable for achieving high availability, these are your budget increases, they are not linear at all. But the infrastructure itself doesn't necessarily get more expensive, on the contrary, new architecture could allow you to use the cheapest stuff available on the market.
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- bluejekyll 8y agoI understand why you say git is centralized, but I don’t think it’s accurate. I can work on git while github is offline, I just can’t share that work with others through github, but I can easily upload a repo and we can share it through another service. At that point we only lose our issues list, etc.
- elif 8y agoyou don't need to upload it anywhere or use any other service... just use git remotes
- bluejekyll 8y agoThat requires exposing your git repo to the internet, unless you’re on the same network.
- girzel 8y agoEmail patches!
- tracker1 8y agoFor that matter, any typical SSH+FS setup with a shared directory can work for a remote.
- nine_k 8y agoThose of us who run their own mail servers: what is your MTBF? That is, ignoring all other differences, from the standpoint of pure availability, how do you compare to popular centralized email services? Just asking.
- sergiosgc 8y agoI had a serious fault two years ago, when several forest fires knocked out electric power for the two lines feeding the datacenter. Electricity failed three or four times in short periods, and for some reason this wrecked havoc on the UPS-generator combo, and power went out. We were down for six hours and mad at the co-location company. Other than that, thirty minutes downtime 14 months ago when the public-facing redundant routers mis-detected a failover, failed STONITH and entered split-brain status. I wouldn't commit to better than 99.9% with our infrastructure (single datacenter with remote data backups) but we exceed the metric most years (99.99% in all but one of the last ten years).
- igor47 8y agoI've been running my own mail and other services since 2005. We had one severe outage in 2008, caused by a bug in reiserfs. In 2013 I migrated to a different server, with minimal downtime but some work involved. Last year, one of the disks in the raid1 was giving smart errors, but it turned out it was hot swappable. I can't recall the last unplanned outage since the 2008 one.
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- girzel 8y agoNo outages except when I've migrated postfix/dovecot from old to new servers, and misconfigured. Otherwise uptime has been equal to server provider uptime (Rackspace, then AWS).
- rkangel 8y agoOn the other hand, if my email is broken such that I can't receive, it's actually helpful that other people can't send to me!
- hinkley 8y agoI wish I'd saved a link to this, but the last time around when centralization was the big push, someone pointed out that the uptime numbers we care about in a professional setting relate to all of our tools, not just individual ones. Which is to say that if I can get 75% of my work done without one of my tools then the impact to the business of an hours long outage is relatively small. Even if the outages are frequent, we can learn to adapt (real example: oversubscribed Atlassian products crashing on Friday afternoon due to resource exhaustion - move work to Thursdays or Mondays). But if the entire system goes down due to shared hardware or simultaneous software upgrades, then you can end up with an office full of people who can't get a lick of work done. Heterogeneity wins out in this case, and 9's can be measured in a way that doesn't reflect the actual business impacts accurately.