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As a German I have to say that registers for people are a great idea! We have had very positive experiences with labeling people. While we had to do this in an

As a German I have to say that registers for people are a great idea! We have had very positive experiences with labeling people. While we had to do this in an analog way the last time, the label itself really helped a lot with "dealing" with people who were a problem. I think if we would make registers like these again, modern technology would really help us to be even more efficient the next time. Don't see what could go wrong, especially when political leaders change etc. /s

CaptainZapp 8y ago
Even though they didn't have modern technology they abolutely did rely on technological help. It was a pretty dark chapter. Not only for Germany and Europe in general, but also for the IBM Corporation[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
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laurentlb 8y ago
Whenever someone moves to Germany, they have to get registered. One of the question is about the religion (for tax purposes). I'm surprised Germany still uses this kind of registry.
- onetimemanytime 8y ago
  >>One of the question is about the religion (for tax purposes). I'm surprised Germany still uses this kind of registry. Forward thinking? Never know when they might need a list of people by religion, ethnicity, invalid status. Better to have and not use, than to need and not have it...or something :)
  - martin_a 8y ago
    Nah, it's really just about taxes. I think it's 1% of your income or something like that which is collected by the state for the church. (That itself is often discussed in Germany, as state and church should obviously not be mixed...) But you can "leave" the church, it costs something like 40 Euro for the administrative action and that's it. No discussion whatsoever and you can keep your money. :-D
    - craftyguy 8y ago
      > Nah, it's really just about taxes. Well, right now it is. The original registry OP is referring to was probably not started to identify and exterminate people who were Jewish, but started for some more innocent reason and then abused when the wrong party assumed power.
      - martin_a 8y ago
        I'm not totally into this right now but I think there were no such registrations in the beginning. But as the Nazis had more and more influence laws ("Nürnberger Gesetze") were passed which required Jewish people to mark their shops and register themselves as Jewish etc. pp. Also denunciations and more from neighbors happened, after Jews were declared "enemies" of the state, so everything came together. edit: But potential misuse of any kind of registers by whomever is obviously the strongest point against those registers after all. Right-wing parties are always eager to have such things for obvious reasons.
- est31 8y ago
  Note that the registry for this is not central but managed by the towns instead. So it's very decentralized and data in this aggregated form doesn't exist. An often used trick by towns is to pretend some person didn't move away from the town, thus not decreasing the number of people who live there, thus increasing the number of various funds that are paid based on how many citizens the town has. So those registries often aren't 100% accurate.
- sorokod 8y ago
  Curious - how does one's religion affects one's taxes?
  - martin_a 8y ago
    It's not so much about the religion itself, but whether you are "active" member of a confession. If you are, you will pay a "church tax" like 1% of your income. If you are not, you don't have to pay that tax. So it's more about tax collection and distribution than about anything else.
    - sorokod 8y ago
      So in tax terms atheism makes sense?
      - shaki-dora 8y ago
        Yes. It is, I believe, 3% of income tax, i. e. about 1% of income for most people.
chimeracoder 8y ago
> As a German I have to say that registers for people are a great idea! We have had very positive experiences with labeling people. While we had to do this in an analog way the last time, the label itself really helped a lot with "dealing" with people who were a problem. Sarcasm aside, Bavaria passed a law this past year which allows police to use DNA evidence to infer physical characteristics about a suspect's appearance. The same law also allows police to arrest people they suspect may commit a crime in the near future. So, this principle is still alive and well in Germany.
- martin_a 8y ago
  I know. It's one of the reasons I left Bavaria to get a job somewhere else.

CaptainZapp 8y ago

Even though they didn't have modern technology they abolutely did rely on technological help. It was a pretty dark chapter. Not only for Germany and Europe in general, but also for the IBM Corporation[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

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laurentlb 8y ago

Whenever someone moves to Germany, they have to get registered. One of the question is about the religion (for tax purposes). I'm surprised Germany still uses this kind of registry.

onetimemanytime 8y ago
>>One of the question is about the religion (for tax purposes). I'm surprised Germany still uses this kind of registry. Forward thinking? Never know when they might need a list of people by religion, ethnicity, invalid status. Better to have and not use, than to need and not have it...or something :)
- martin_a 8y ago
  Nah, it's really just about taxes. I think it's 1% of your income or something like that which is collected by the state for the church. (That itself is often discussed in Germany, as state and church should obviously not be mixed...) But you can "leave" the church, it costs something like 40 Euro for the administrative action and that's it. No discussion whatsoever and you can keep your money. :-D
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    > Nah, it's really just about taxes. Well, right now it is. The original registry OP is referring to was probably not started to identify and exterminate people who were Jewish, but started for some more innocent reason and then abused when the wrong party assumed power.
    - martin_a 8y ago
      I'm not totally into this right now but I think there were no such registrations in the beginning. But as the Nazis had more and more influence laws ("Nürnberger Gesetze") were passed which required Jewish people to mark their shops and register themselves as Jewish etc. pp. Also denunciations and more from neighbors happened, after Jews were declared "enemies" of the state, so everything came together. edit: But potential misuse of any kind of registers by whomever is obviously the strongest point against those registers after all. Right-wing parties are always eager to have such things for obvious reasons.
est31 8y ago
Note that the registry for this is not central but managed by the towns instead. So it's very decentralized and data in this aggregated form doesn't exist. An often used trick by towns is to pretend some person didn't move away from the town, thus not decreasing the number of people who live there, thus increasing the number of various funds that are paid based on how many citizens the town has. So those registries often aren't 100% accurate.
sorokod 8y ago
Curious - how does one's religion affects one's taxes?
- martin_a 8y ago
  It's not so much about the religion itself, but whether you are "active" member of a confession. If you are, you will pay a "church tax" like 1% of your income. If you are not, you don't have to pay that tax. So it's more about tax collection and distribution than about anything else.
  - sorokod 8y ago
    So in tax terms atheism makes sense?
    - shaki-dora 8y ago
      Yes. It is, I believe, 3% of income tax, i. e. about 1% of income for most people.

chimeracoder 8y ago

> As a German I have to say that registers for people are a great idea! We have had very positive experiences with labeling people. While we had to do this in an analog way the last time, the label itself really helped a lot with "dealing" with people who were a problem. Sarcasm aside, Bavaria passed a law this past year which allows police to use DNA evidence to infer physical characteristics about a suspect's appearance. The same law also allows police to arrest people they suspect may commit a crime in the near future. So, this principle is still alive and well in Germany.

martin_a 8y ago
I know. It's one of the reasons I left Bavaria to get a job somewhere else.