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People have rights, even when they are sick. There is absolutely no evidence to believe HIV possitive patients go around infecting others intentionally. Transmi

People have rights, even when they are sick. There is absolutely no evidence to believe HIV possitive patients go around infecting others intentionally. Transmission happens during latency, when infected people do not yet show symptoms, and do not know they are infected. A person that knows of their infection is just as likely to be a danger as a shopper on their way home with a large new steak knife. To suggest otherwise is just mindless paranoia, with possibly a homophobic twist. It’s the sort of thinking that created this mess in the first place, considering civilized societies don’t even collect such a database of HIV+ citizens.

ahje 8y ago
> It’s the sort of thinking that created this mess in the first place, considering civilized societies don’t even collect such a database of HIV+ citizens. The purpose of the database may very well be to allow the authorities to contact people with HIV when someone creates a new medicine against HIV, and so forth.
- shaki-dora 8y ago
  That’s the job of doctors, not “authorities”. Does a Singapore also have databases of all MS patients on file? Or Huntington’s? Because those patients are far more desperate to learn about new treatments than HIV patients, who actually have rather good options today.
- thaumasiotes 8y ago
  The purpose of the database is almost certainly to understand, when a new patient presents with HIV, where they got it from. Trying to answer this question is standard in the US as well.
lostmsu 8y ago
> Transmission happens during latency, when infected people do not yet show symptoms, and do not know they are infected. I wonder how these people get infected in the first place.
thaumasiotes 8y ago
> There is absolutely no evidence to believe HIV possitive patients go around infecting others intentionally. You should worry a little more about overreaching. There's lots of evidence of this. https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/aids-and-california/ https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/aids-and-cali... > "It was at this time that rumors began on Castro Street in San Francisco about a strange guy at the Eighth and Howard bathhouse, a blond with a French accent. [Gaetan Dugas] He would have sex with you, then turn up the lights in the cubicle, and point out his Kaposi's sarcoma legions. > "I've got gay cancer," he'd say. "I'm going to die, and so are you." " then later... > "I can recall about that same time seeing a patient who was a young Ph.D. scientist from the Peninsula [south of San Francisco], a very good-looking man with Kaposi's sarcoma who I was caring for. He had AIDS. He was sitting in my clinic on Parnassus. He was kind of impatient. I said, "I'm sorry I'm running late; I can tell you’re impatient. What's wrong?" He said, "I wish you'd hurry up; I'm going to the bathhouses." > being the typical doctor, it just never occurred to me that he was still out there having sex. He had Kaposi's sarcoma -- AIDS, this horrible new, fatal disease. My line to him was, "Somebody must think you’re smart, because they gave you a Ph.D. How come you’re still going to the bathhouses?" He said, "There’s nothing wrong with that. I probably caught it there, and so my view is, it's there and I'm going to have sex." I said, "Are you telling the people that you're having sex with that you're HIV-positive" -- it wasn’t even called HIV then -- "that you have AIDS?" He said, "No. I figure that they ought to be smart enough to understand that there's AIDS out here, and that they can catch it. It's their responsibility as much as mine." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Mol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Mol > In 2005 he organized a conference with Black ambassadors in Poland to protest the claims in an article in Wiedza i Życie by Adam Leszczyński about AIDS problems in Africa, which quoted research stating that a majority of African women were unable to persuade their HIV positive husbands to wear condoms, and so later caught HIV themselves. Mol accused Leszczyński of prejudice because of this article. > In February 2006, one of his partners requested that he take an HIV test. Mol refused and published a post on his blog explaining why: >> Character assassination isn't a new phenomenon. However, it appears here the game respects no rules. It wouldn't be superfluous to state that there is an ingrained, harsh and disturbing dislike for Africans here. The accusation of being HIV positive is the latest weapon that as an African your enemy can raise against you. This ideologically inspired weapon, is strengthened by the day with disturbing literature about Africa from supposed-experts on Africa, some of whom openly boast of traveling across Africa in two weeks and return home to write volumes. What some of these hastily compiled volumes have succeeded in breeding, is a social and psychological conviction that every African walking the street here is supposedly HIV positive, and woe betide anyone who dares to unravel the myth being put in place. > According to the police inspector who was investigating his case, a witness stated that Mol refused to wear condoms during sex. An anonymous witness in one case said that he accused a girl who demanded he should wear them of being racist because she thought he must be infected with HIV just because he was black. After sexual intercourse he used to say to his female partners that his sperm was sacred. > he was diagnosed with HIV back in 1999 while living in a refugee shelter, but Polish law does not force an HIV carrier to reveal his or her disease status. > After police published Mol's photo and an alert before the start of court proceedings, Warsaw HIV testing centers were "invaded by young women". > He died from HIV-related complications on 10 October 2008.

ahje 8y ago

> It’s the sort of thinking that created this mess in the first place, considering civilized societies don’t even collect such a database of HIV+ citizens. The purpose of the database may very well be to allow the authorities to contact people with HIV when someone creates a new medicine against HIV, and so forth.

shaki-dora 8y ago
That’s the job of doctors, not “authorities”. Does a Singapore also have databases of all MS patients on file? Or Huntington’s? Because those patients are far more desperate to learn about new treatments than HIV patients, who actually have rather good options today.
thaumasiotes 8y ago
The purpose of the database is almost certainly to understand, when a new patient presents with HIV, where they got it from. Trying to answer this question is standard in the US as well.

lostmsu 8y ago

> Transmission happens during latency, when infected people do not yet show symptoms, and do not know they are infected. I wonder how these people get infected in the first place.

thaumasiotes 8y ago

> There is absolutely no evidence to believe HIV possitive patients go around infecting others intentionally. You should worry a little more about overreaching. There's lots of evidence of this. https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/aids-and-california/ https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/aids-and-cali... > "It was at this time that rumors began on Castro Street in San Francisco about a strange guy at the Eighth and Howard bathhouse, a blond with a French accent. [Gaetan Dugas] He would have sex with you, then turn up the lights in the cubicle, and point out his Kaposi's sarcoma legions. > "I've got gay cancer," he'd say. "I'm going to die, and so are you." " then later... > "I can recall about that same time seeing a patient who was a young Ph.D. scientist from the Peninsula [south of San Francisco], a very good-looking man with Kaposi's sarcoma who I was caring for. He had AIDS. He was sitting in my clinic on Parnassus. He was kind of impatient. I said, "I'm sorry I'm running late; I can tell you’re impatient. What's wrong?" He said, "I wish you'd hurry up; I'm going to the bathhouses." > being the typical doctor, it just never occurred to me that he was still out there having sex. He had Kaposi's sarcoma -- AIDS, this horrible new, fatal disease. My line to him was, "Somebody must think you’re smart, because they gave you a Ph.D. How come you’re still going to the bathhouses?" He said, "There’s nothing wrong with that. I probably caught it there, and so my view is, it's there and I'm going to have sex." I said, "Are you telling the people that you're having sex with that you're HIV-positive" -- it wasn’t even called HIV then -- "that you have AIDS?" He said, "No. I figure that they ought to be smart enough to understand that there's AIDS out here, and that they can catch it. It's their responsibility as much as mine." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Mol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Mol > In 2005 he organized a conference with Black ambassadors in Poland to protest the claims in an article in Wiedza i Życie by Adam Leszczyński about AIDS problems in Africa, which quoted research stating that a majority of African women were unable to persuade their HIV positive husbands to wear condoms, and so later caught HIV themselves. Mol accused Leszczyński of prejudice because of this article. > In February 2006, one of his partners requested that he take an HIV test. Mol refused and published a post on his blog explaining why: >> Character assassination isn't a new phenomenon. However, it appears here the game respects no rules. It wouldn't be superfluous to state that there is an ingrained, harsh and disturbing dislike for Africans here. The accusation of being HIV positive is the latest weapon that as an African your enemy can raise against you. This ideologically inspired weapon, is strengthened by the day with disturbing literature about Africa from supposed-experts on Africa, some of whom openly boast of traveling across Africa in two weeks and return home to write volumes. What some of these hastily compiled volumes have succeeded in breeding, is a social and psychological conviction that every African walking the street here is supposedly HIV positive, and woe betide anyone who dares to unravel the myth being put in place. > According to the police inspector who was investigating his case, a witness stated that Mol refused to wear condoms during sex. An anonymous witness in one case said that he accused a girl who demanded he should wear them of being racist because she thought he must be infected with HIV just because he was black. After sexual intercourse he used to say to his female partners that his sperm was sacred. > he was diagnosed with HIV back in 1999 while living in a refugee shelter, but Polish law does not force an HIV carrier to reveal his or her disease status. > After police published Mol's photo and an alert before the start of court proceedings, Warsaw HIV testing centers were "invaded by young women". > He died from HIV-related complications on 10 October 2008.