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Considering my old phones get burn-in after a year or two, that windows has far more static elements than Android, and that I don't replace my laptop every year

Considering my old phones get burn-in after a year or two, that windows has far more static elements than Android, and that I don't replace my laptop every year, oled would be a horrible choice for me.

saagarjha 8y ago
Does Windows not have burn-in prevention?
- jayd16 8y ago
  I'm sure you've heard of screen savers.
  - vinay427 8y ago
    I don't think that does an adequate job here. In most workflows, static elements such as the taskbar will still be displayed in the same place most of the time the display is on. As I understand it, plasma displays (which now seem defunct?) had issues with burn-in if presented with the same image for a long period of time during a single instance, while from personal experience AMOLED burn-in can occur even if the same image is displayed repeatedly over a long period of time. Screen savers would appear to mitigate the former, but not completely avoid the latter.
  - melkiaur 8y ago
    And I'm sure you've heard of the taskbar.
    - int_19h 8y ago
      The whole point of screensavers is that they actively display something different than what the screen normally has. Burn-in is not a problem that originated with OLED, and last time anybody had that problem, screensavers were the best mitigation they came up with.
      - the_pwner224 8y ago
        OLED burn in happens because the organic stuff used to color the light into RGB degrades at different rates for the three colors. So for OLED, having an image on the screen for 30 minutes is the same as having it on the screen for 5 minutes, 6 times. If the Windows taskbar is present 95% of the time that the computer is being used (with the other 5% being fullscreen applications), and a screensaver is active 40% of the time the screen is on, then the taskbar is still visible for 57% of the time the screen is on. Maybe the tech has changed, but as of my first OLED phone 7 years ago, blue (the same color as the taskbar's Windows icon) was the fastest color to burn in. Newer phones shift the navbar and status bar items a few pixels every minute. But the start menu icon is too big for that, so after a year or two, every time the user watched a movie in fullscreen, they would get a blue blob in the lower left corner.
  - cauldron 8y ago
    >screen savers You should just turn off the screen when you are away
JoshTriplett 8y ago
> that windows has far more static elements than Android Android has a status bar at the top that's displayed over most applications. And applications on Android are far more likely to be maximized, which makes the common design elements and widgets more likely to be in the same place. To the best of my knowledge and research, though, the current generation of OLED screens and controllers manage to avoid image retention.
- Ndymium 8y ago
  My Moto Z2 Play showed burn in of the top status bar after a year. My Moto Z did the same. OLED burn in is not a fixed problem.
- paulryanrogers 8y ago
  IIRC, many rely on pixel shifting every time the screen sleeps. Not sure if the same strategy would work on laptops
  - raihansaputra 8y ago
    It shouldn't be that noticeable if scaling is turned on. Could be a pretty good strategy for laptops.
- jonny_eh 8y ago
  My three year old LG OLED TV has burn in.
  - mijamo 8y ago
    My three year old oled TV does not, and I use it as a PC display 8h/day. Are you sure you do not disconnect it sometimes?
    - tasssko 8y ago
      Differences in climates can play a part in this as well it would be difficult to call but possible that cooler locations fair better than the tropics. I have no data to support this but would be very interested if there is data on the lifespan of electronics like this in different climates.
lucb1e 8y ago
My 6 year old oled phone that I used daily until last year (I would say 'used heavily' but then compared to some people, it might have been moderately) did not have any such issues.
magicalhippo 8y ago
Have had an S3 for 3 years, S5 for another 3 and now an S8 for one, and haven't had any burn-in issues. Though I mostly find max brightness to be uncomfortably bright, so I usually keep it down in the 10-30% range (auto). My gf likes to illuminate half the block with her phone though, and we both got the S8 at the same time, so will be interesting to compare.
scns 8y ago
Switch to a black scheme, saves power and avoids burn in
- sametmax 8y ago
  "Adapt yourself to the problems of your products" is not motivating me to buy said product.
  - brokenmachine 8y ago
    It can motivate if there are other advantages, eg OLED infinite contrast/better colors, etc. I've had an OLED phone since the original Galaxy Note and an OLED tv for 15 months now and I'm never going back to LCD.

saagarjha 8y ago

Does Windows not have burn-in prevention?

jayd16 8y ago
I'm sure you've heard of screen savers.
- vinay427 8y ago
  I don't think that does an adequate job here. In most workflows, static elements such as the taskbar will still be displayed in the same place most of the time the display is on. As I understand it, plasma displays (which now seem defunct?) had issues with burn-in if presented with the same image for a long period of time during a single instance, while from personal experience AMOLED burn-in can occur even if the same image is displayed repeatedly over a long period of time. Screen savers would appear to mitigate the former, but not completely avoid the latter.
- melkiaur 8y ago
  And I'm sure you've heard of the taskbar.
  - int_19h 8y ago
    The whole point of screensavers is that they actively display something different than what the screen normally has. Burn-in is not a problem that originated with OLED, and last time anybody had that problem, screensavers were the best mitigation they came up with.
    - the_pwner224 8y ago
      OLED burn in happens because the organic stuff used to color the light into RGB degrades at different rates for the three colors. So for OLED, having an image on the screen for 30 minutes is the same as having it on the screen for 5 minutes, 6 times. If the Windows taskbar is present 95% of the time that the computer is being used (with the other 5% being fullscreen applications), and a screensaver is active 40% of the time the screen is on, then the taskbar is still visible for 57% of the time the screen is on. Maybe the tech has changed, but as of my first OLED phone 7 years ago, blue (the same color as the taskbar's Windows icon) was the fastest color to burn in. Newer phones shift the navbar and status bar items a few pixels every minute. But the start menu icon is too big for that, so after a year or two, every time the user watched a movie in fullscreen, they would get a blue blob in the lower left corner.
- cauldron 8y ago
  >screen savers You should just turn off the screen when you are away

JoshTriplett 8y ago

> that windows has far more static elements than Android Android has a status bar at the top that's displayed over most applications. And applications on Android are far more likely to be maximized, which makes the common design elements and widgets more likely to be in the same place. To the best of my knowledge and research, though, the current generation of OLED screens and controllers manage to avoid image retention.

Ndymium 8y ago
My Moto Z2 Play showed burn in of the top status bar after a year. My Moto Z did the same. OLED burn in is not a fixed problem.
paulryanrogers 8y ago
IIRC, many rely on pixel shifting every time the screen sleeps. Not sure if the same strategy would work on laptops
- raihansaputra 8y ago
  It shouldn't be that noticeable if scaling is turned on. Could be a pretty good strategy for laptops.
jonny_eh 8y ago
My three year old LG OLED TV has burn in.
- mijamo 8y ago
  My three year old oled TV does not, and I use it as a PC display 8h/day. Are you sure you do not disconnect it sometimes?
  - tasssko 8y ago
    Differences in climates can play a part in this as well it would be difficult to call but possible that cooler locations fair better than the tropics. I have no data to support this but would be very interested if there is data on the lifespan of electronics like this in different climates.

lucb1e 8y ago

My 6 year old oled phone that I used daily until last year (I would say 'used heavily' but then compared to some people, it might have been moderately) did not have any such issues.

magicalhippo 8y ago

Have had an S3 for 3 years, S5 for another 3 and now an S8 for one, and haven't had any burn-in issues. Though I mostly find max brightness to be uncomfortably bright, so I usually keep it down in the 10-30% range (auto). My gf likes to illuminate half the block with her phone though, and we both got the S8 at the same time, so will be interesting to compare.

scns 8y ago

Switch to a black scheme, saves power and avoids burn in

sametmax 8y ago
"Adapt yourself to the problems of your products" is not motivating me to buy said product.
- brokenmachine 8y ago
  It can motivate if there are other advantages, eg OLED infinite contrast/better colors, etc. I've had an OLED phone since the original Galaxy Note and an OLED tv for 15 months now and I'm never going back to LCD.