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Work-to-hire needs to be more prevalent. Start this guy off as a janitor so he can work his way up. No American feels above mopping floors, in case you, hiring

Work-to-hire needs to be more prevalent. Start this guy off as a janitor so he can work his way up. No American feels above mopping floors, in case you, hiring manager, were unaware. Source: unemployed techie who gardens and moves in Silicon Valley, for people who would love to hire me if they had a computer job and is dodged by recruiters.

__float 8y ago
...why should he start as a janitor when he has years of experience doing the jobs he's apply for?
- MisterOctober 8y ago
  Yep. Also, most companies won't hire people who are massively overqualified for unskilled [or lesser-skilled] positions. In fact, many managers view unused skills as a waste [e.g., in the "Lean" philosophy / cult, it's called the '8th muda or waste'] and are specifically wary for that reason among others. now of course, it's not always interpreted as a negative incentive to hire certain folks due to their having skill A, but instead to use skill A if someone has it -- but I have certainly heard it interpreted as one of the reasons to avoid overqualified candidates].
  - oh_sigh 8y ago
    I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reasoning is there was a threat to power that would come from an overskilled person taking a position. For example, that overskilled person may not fall for certain lies or controlling aspects that the manager uses on actually-unskilled labor, who presumably don't have industry experience or are too afraid of losing their job to cause a fuss.
a3n 8y ago
Janitors are no longer directly hired, they come through a service. It's the service that's hired, and workers with anonymous faces just show up. There is no "work your way up" from those positions. Not anymore. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/03/upshot/to-understand-rising-inequality-consider-the-janitors-at-two-top-companies-then-and-now.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/03/upshot/to-understand-risi...

__float 8y ago

...why should he start as a janitor when he has years of experience doing the jobs he's apply for?

MisterOctober 8y ago
Yep. Also, most companies won't hire people who are massively overqualified for unskilled [or lesser-skilled] positions. In fact, many managers view unused skills as a waste [e.g., in the "Lean" philosophy / cult, it's called the '8th muda or waste'] and are specifically wary for that reason among others. now of course, it's not always interpreted as a negative incentive to hire certain folks due to their having skill A, but instead to use skill A if someone has it -- but I have certainly heard it interpreted as one of the reasons to avoid overqualified candidates].
- oh_sigh 8y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reasoning is there was a threat to power that would come from an overskilled person taking a position. For example, that overskilled person may not fall for certain lies or controlling aspects that the manager uses on actually-unskilled labor, who presumably don't have industry experience or are too afraid of losing their job to cause a fuss.

a3n 8y ago

Janitors are no longer directly hired, they come through a service. It's the service that's hired, and workers with anonymous faces just show up. There is no "work your way up" from those positions. Not anymore. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/03/upshot/to-understand-rising-inequality-consider-the-janitors-at-two-top-companies-then-and-now.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/03/upshot/to-understand-risi...