I always end up having problems using css to do layout, like you mention that it's often a pain to center things. I prefer tables for a lot of things that I'm n

I always end up having problems using css to do layout, like you mention that it's often a pain to center things. I prefer tables for a lot of things that I'm not "supposed" to use table for because the css methods don't work the same in various browsers, or at all in older ones. css for markup works fine for me. A humorous experience for me is when I look up some css concept I can't remember the details and find sites and blogs by css gurus about it, but their site is a total mess, unreadible, with for example letters as large as the screen, all readible text in a div that is off screen, etc, and turns out their blog only renders properly at all when viewed in Chrome. Seems there's lots of css experts that advocate for weird features which only work in one browser.