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These look like serious charges: Defrauding four large banks into clearing transactions with Iran in violation of international sanctions. Conspiracy to obstr

These look like serious charges: Defrauding four large banks into clearing transactions with Iran in violation of international sanctions. Conspiracy to obstruct justice by moving employees out of the United States so they could not be called as witnesses before a grand jury in Brooklyn. Conspiracy to defraud the United States by impairing, impeding, obstructing and defeating, through deceitful and dishonest means, the lawful governmental functions of an agency of the United States. Money laundering conspiracy. Conspiracy to steal trade secrets about robotics from a competitor, T-Mobile. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/us/politics/meng-wanzhou-huawei-iran.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/us/politics/meng-wanzhou-... If the charges are true, I hope Ms. Meng is extradited and prosecuted, and the company barred from operating in the US. But if this is just a bargaining chip to be exchanged for a few worthless face-saving trade deal "wins" for this administration, it will be disgrace.

conover 8y ago
The actual indictment: https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rIz2tT7h2.Fs/v0 https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rIz2tT7h... (PDF Warning) Wire fraud is really serious. It looks like the government intends on going the full distance in this case.
- panarky 8y ago
  It's notable that some of the evidence against Ms. Meng consists of "an electronic device that contained a file in unallocated space -- indicating that the file may have been deleted" (page 8 of the indictment). Did authorities seize and image her devices at JFK?
  - conover 8y ago
    I noticed that as well. I am super curious about how they obtained that information. I assume it will come out at trial, if it gets that far.
nostromo 8y ago
> But if this is just a bargaining chip to be exchanged for a few worthless face-saving trade deal "wins" for this administration, it will be disgrace. The indictment spans more than a decade; this definitely predates the current administration.
- panarky 8y ago
  From my link: "President Trump had previously publicly toyed with the idea of granting Ms. Meng freedom if it would help secure a trade deal, much to the dismay of law enforcement officials."
  - zavi 8y ago
    President Trump has toyed with a lot of stupid ideas that are dead on arrival.
    - deleted 8y ago
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    - craftyguy 8y ago
      Some of his stupid ideas play out though, like becoming president.
tossaccount123 8y ago
>But if this is just a bargaining chip to be exchanged for a few worthless face-saving trade deal "wins" for this administration, it will be disgrace If letting one person off the hook can benefit all americans through better trade, how is that a disgrace? China has apparently offered to balance the trade deficit with the US within 6 years https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-18/china-is-said-to-offer-path-to-eliminate-u-s-trade-imbalance https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-18/china-is-... their economy is also tanking rapidly based on what their government can't cover up, the quarterly reports of US companies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-28/nvidia-cuts-outlook-reflecting-weaker-economy-especially-china https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-28/nvidia-cu... So by basically any measure the US is winning the trade war
- gruez 8y ago
  >If letting one person off the hook can benefit all americans through better trade, how is that a disgrace? it's a disgrace for the rule of law and an independent judiciary.
  - gpm 8y ago
    > it's a disgrace for the rule of law Agreed > an independent judiciary. Not sure I agree, the US is pretty clear that the president has pardon power, that the executive gets to exercise prosecutorial discretion, and so on.
  - tossaccount123 8y ago
    lol, our justice system has been a joke for a long time. James Clapper and John Brennan are walking free after violating every American's constitutional rights and then lying to congress about it. Meanwhile Edward Snowden is a wanted criminal around the world for exposing their rape of the US constitution and roger stone has his house raided by 29 FBI agents with CNN filming in the driveway for lying to congress. There's a Navy veteran rotting in Jail right now for taking a picture of his sub on his last day because it was technically classified info. Hillary Clinton is enjoying life despite having hundreds of pieces of classified info on her server There are two tiers of justice in our country, get used to it. At least in this case it would benefit the average american
rajacombinator 8y ago
There’s a lot more that could be done here than barring them from operating in the US, which is an irrelevant market to them. Using it as a trade deal bargaining chip is actually the only way to get anything out of the situation without a major escalation.
pishpash 8y ago
The only "serious" charge is busting sanctions which again, only the US is re-imposing on Iran, and for political reasons and exactly for bargaining in things like this. Trumped up propaganda shit, as usual.

conover 8y ago

The actual indictment: https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rIz2tT7h2.Fs/v0 https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rIz2tT7h... (PDF Warning) Wire fraud is really serious. It looks like the government intends on going the full distance in this case.

panarky 8y ago
It's notable that some of the evidence against Ms. Meng consists of "an electronic device that contained a file in unallocated space -- indicating that the file may have been deleted" (page 8 of the indictment). Did authorities seize and image her devices at JFK?
- conover 8y ago
  I noticed that as well. I am super curious about how they obtained that information. I assume it will come out at trial, if it gets that far.

nostromo 8y ago

> But if this is just a bargaining chip to be exchanged for a few worthless face-saving trade deal "wins" for this administration, it will be disgrace. The indictment spans more than a decade; this definitely predates the current administration.

panarky 8y ago
From my link: "President Trump had previously publicly toyed with the idea of granting Ms. Meng freedom if it would help secure a trade deal, much to the dismay of law enforcement officials."
- zavi 8y ago
  President Trump has toyed with a lot of stupid ideas that are dead on arrival.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    Some of his stupid ideas play out though, like becoming president.

tossaccount123 8y ago

>But if this is just a bargaining chip to be exchanged for a few worthless face-saving trade deal "wins" for this administration, it will be disgrace If letting one person off the hook can benefit all americans through better trade, how is that a disgrace? China has apparently offered to balance the trade deficit with the US within 6 years https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-18/china-is-said-to-offer-path-to-eliminate-u-s-trade-imbalance https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-18/china-is-... their economy is also tanking rapidly based on what their government can't cover up, the quarterly reports of US companies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-28/nvidia-cuts-outlook-reflecting-weaker-economy-especially-china https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-28/nvidia-cu... So by basically any measure the US is winning the trade war

gruez 8y ago
>If letting one person off the hook can benefit all americans through better trade, how is that a disgrace? it's a disgrace for the rule of law and an independent judiciary.
- gpm 8y ago
  > it's a disgrace for the rule of law Agreed > an independent judiciary. Not sure I agree, the US is pretty clear that the president has pardon power, that the executive gets to exercise prosecutorial discretion, and so on.
- tossaccount123 8y ago
  lol, our justice system has been a joke for a long time. James Clapper and John Brennan are walking free after violating every American's constitutional rights and then lying to congress about it. Meanwhile Edward Snowden is a wanted criminal around the world for exposing their rape of the US constitution and roger stone has his house raided by 29 FBI agents with CNN filming in the driveway for lying to congress. There's a Navy veteran rotting in Jail right now for taking a picture of his sub on his last day because it was technically classified info. Hillary Clinton is enjoying life despite having hundreds of pieces of classified info on her server There are two tiers of justice in our country, get used to it. At least in this case it would benefit the average american

rajacombinator 8y ago

There’s a lot more that could be done here than barring them from operating in the US, which is an irrelevant market to them. Using it as a trade deal bargaining chip is actually the only way to get anything out of the situation without a major escalation.

pishpash 8y ago

The only "serious" charge is busting sanctions which again, only the US is re-imposing on Iran, and for political reasons and exactly for bargaining in things like this. Trumped up propaganda shit, as usual.