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> The closest we can get to seeing the original Smalltalk environment in action... There is a "Personal Use License" for Cincom® VisualWorks® 8.3 http://www.c

by igouy 8y ago

> The closest we can get to seeing the original Smalltalk environment in action... There is a "Personal Use License" for Cincom® VisualWorks® 8.3 http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/community/product-portal/trying-cincom-smalltalk/try-cincom-smalltalk/ http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/community/product-portal... "Squeak is an open source implementation derived from Smalltalk-80 Version 1 by way of Apple Smalltalk. VisualWorks® is derived from Smalltalk-80 Version 2 by way of Smalltalk-80 2.5 and ObjectWorks." http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/about-us/smalltalks-past/ http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/about-us/smalltalks-past...

yesenadam 8y ago
Ah thanks yes, I did look at that website before getting Squeak, I forget exactly what stopped me downloading it. I should have said "The closest I can get", my mistake I guess. Maybe all the talk of licences, ONLY (their capitals) using it for academic use/evaluation purposes ONLY. (Geez, takes me right back to the 80s.) The download page for the "evaluation" version is a "send us all your details and we'll email you a licence tomorrow" page. Maybe my computer is too old (usually the problem). Looking now, it's not easy to find a price for a do-anything-with-it licence on that site...Eventually I found that a "Cincom Smalltalk Limited Value Add Software License Agreement" is $500, but what that is exactly I'm not sure.
- 0x445442 8y ago
  There's also Pharo (pharo.org) which forked from Squeak some years ago and is chugging along at an impressive pace.
- igouy 8y ago
  > academic use/evaluation purposes ONLY Seems like you found the Student license :-) > "send us all your details and we'll email you a licence tomorrow" iirc the explanation given has to do with exporting encryption software. > do-anything-with-it licence If you wish to make money from Cincom Smalltalk then they also wish to make money ;-)

by igouy 8y ago

yesenadam 8y ago

Ah thanks yes, I did look at that website before getting Squeak, I forget exactly what stopped me downloading it. I should have said "The closest I can get", my mistake I guess. Maybe all the talk of licences, ONLY (their capitals) using it for academic use/evaluation purposes ONLY. (Geez, takes me right back to the 80s.) The download page for the "evaluation" version is a "send us all your details and we'll email you a licence tomorrow" page. Maybe my computer is too old (usually the problem). Looking now, it's not easy to find a price for a do-anything-with-it licence on that site...Eventually I found that a "Cincom Smalltalk Limited Value Add Software License Agreement" is $500, but what that is exactly I'm not sure.

0x445442 8y ago
There's also Pharo (pharo.org) which forked from Squeak some years ago and is chugging along at an impressive pace.
igouy 8y ago
> academic use/evaluation purposes ONLY Seems like you found the Student license :-) > "send us all your details and we'll email you a licence tomorrow" iirc the explanation given has to do with exporting encryption software. > do-anything-with-it licence If you wish to make money from Cincom Smalltalk then they also wish to make money ;-)