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by andruby 8y ago
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- edoo 8y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_yqIj38UmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_yqIj38UmY The solar physicist community has the current most accurate climate models and they only crunch sun data and not C02 data in any way. Those models show lowering temperatures as we now enter a maunder minimum. Those models will pan out or not in the next few years. Their claim is falsifiable.
- rhcom2 8y agoA talk by a climate change denial lobbying group isn't going to convince anyone.
- edoo 8y agoThey are doing real science. Their models will be proven wrong or not. All the CO2 based climate models have already been proven wrong. Odd that you would be so against finding out the truth.
- rhcom2 8y agoI look forward to reading their peer reviewed work then. Otherwise I'm going to take any organization with such an obvious conflict of interest with a giant grain of salt.
- b_tterc_p 8y agoI have a model that says you’re a shill. It’d be weird if you contested that because my model is scientific.
- edoo 8y agoIf you have a falsifiable claim let's test it. Otherwise I win, you devolved to ad hominem attacks in the face of logic.
- b_tterc_p 8y agoTest that you’re a shill...? Ok, let’s test it! Let’s see your name and list of corporations / interest groups sending you money. That’s the best way to falsify this. It would be weird not to check this because it’s a scientific endeavor.
- edoo 8y agoIf you know of any groups that would actually pay me to point out fallacious logic I would love to know about them.
- b_tterc_p 8y agoOk ok. That’s enough for me. Out of character now. Serious question. Is it mind numbing or is it entertaining to vomit gross rhetoric to push out an agenda and piss people off? Genuinely curious because I feel like this would suck after a couple hours and especially on forums where you get more sincere bites.
- edoo 8y agoI am a scientist and master of logic and I find it mind numbingly entertaining to trigger episodes of cognitive dissonance in people. There is no excuse not to resolve the conflicting logic of your beliefs. You call basic logic gross rhetoric? You are exactly why I enjoy this. Even if you think you hate me you will have grown a little bit. One final dose: I'm an independent and wouldn't be caught dead voting for Trump or Hillary. Edit: Well maybe if I were dead I would vote for Hillary seeing as things go.
- b_tterc_p 8y agoWell, feel free to falsify my earlier statement by utterly doxxing yourself. Until then by the powers of logic and reasoning, for I too am a master, I’m going to reason that given your extremely one sided agenda, repetition of key phrases like “real science” and “falsified”, lack of any actual data, insistence that we need to wait years before knowing anything either way because you can’t actually disprove anything, baiting attempts and now an irrelevant political inflamement that you’re just sucking on the shaft of some corporate interest group paid to spread doubt. Cheers
- thg 8y agohttps://theconversation.com/the-mini-ice-age-hoopla-is-a-giant-failure-of-science-communication-45037 https://theconversation.com/the-mini-ice-age-hoopla-is-a-gia...
- edoo 8y agoThis is real science, we get to find out if they are right or not in the next couple years. It is rather weird to attack efforts at real science.
- throwayawnotime 8y agoTime to act on climate change is not in the next couple of years, it's about 30 years ago. Please post links to real science if this is so. No youtube videos.
- b_tterc_p 8y agoTheir claim is not falsifiable. They’ve taken PCAs of magnetic waves. They might be right about their part, but this is seriously misleading deflection to say they’re right and others are wrong. Climate models are difficult. Defining accuracy is difficult. Thing is, models that can explain thousands of years of historical climate isn’t relevant, because it’s a different problem than predicting climate now. It’s changing at an unprecedented rate. You can set up a greenhouse effect experiment and verify that carbon increases the temperature from the sun yourself. We don’t know many things, such as how much CO2 the ocean absorbs, but it really doesn’t matter. We know the globe is getting warmer, CO2 causes atmospheric temperature increases, and that we’re dumping massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.
- edoo 8y agoTheir claim is absolutely falsifiable. They have made predictions based on the data. Those predictions will pan out or not, just like all the current CO2 models have failed. What is irrefutable is their models are currently the most accurate. This is real science, the answer will arrive, and even if it is wrong we learned something.
- b_tterc_p 8y agoNah man that’s doubt propagation.
- chillwaves 8y agoYour citation is a Youtube video? How come people who argue against you can cite peer reviewed articles and a ~97-99% consensus among the scientific community?