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16 cargo ships equal all of the world’s cars in pollution, and there are >100,000 of them. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships

16 cargo ships equal all of the world’s cars in pollution, and there are >100,000 of them. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-...

rkul 8y ago
This is a misleading headline. What they mean by pollution is just sulfur not necessarily CO2 or other gases/particles. Read the article.
- makerofspoons 8y ago
  Interestingly sulfur dioxide has a net cooling effect on the atmosphere: https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/9805/would-adding-sulfur-dioxide-to-the-atmosphere-have-a-global-cooling-effect https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/9805/would-... However this effect does not outweigh the health consequences of emitting this pollution, or the contribution it makes to acid rain and other serious problems.
- Nasrudith 8y ago
  CO2 isn't a particulate but I would say it is slightly misleading for a different reason - car particulate requirements are pretty damn strict to the point diesels are the dominant source despite being a road minority. The numbers for cruise ships would ironically look way better in the 70s when us automakers were still trying to claim it was unreasonable to require the exhaust not smell of unburnt gasoline. And that was before catalytic converters were essentially mandatory. A more apples to apples comparison would be in trucks or buses - granted all should be improving as well.
archi42 8y ago
Here in Germany we have an ongoing issues with the whole VW (and others) cheating on emission tests with their diesel engines; this leads to some cities banning older diesel cars (usually Euro 5 emission rating and lower) from some areas or streets (imho the latter is a bad idea, but well...). BUT one has to consider: "At least" these ships emissions don't directly affect us, instead they cause various environmental effects (e.g. green house effect, acid rain,...). But car's emissions directly have an impact on OUR health. Not to say any of the two emission classes are okay, they're just different and therefore difficult to compare.
- sdoering 8y ago
  Well even if these ships need to switch fuel to a much cleaner variant, when nearing shore (or a harbor) they non the less pollute the city they are harboring in massively when machines are running on low power to "just" provide the necessary energy for the ship. Most harbors currently do not have supporting energy lines for these big ships. So at least some people in these cities get impacted by these ship emissions directly. I once worked shortly for a company running tourist ships and have to say I was shocked to learn how dirty this kind of travel is. I never thought about that until I learned that the ship they built while I was there was considered clean, because it was the first to have a particulate filter prototype (that had some hick ups in the beginning due to changing salt levels in the surrounding water).
Voloskaya 8y ago
No. The 16 biggest cargo ships pollute as much as all the cars, not just 16 random cargo ships. Off those 100k cargo ships the extreme majority are much much smaller.
- TheCoelacanth 8y ago
  Also, it's only NOx and SOx pollution where the ships beat the cars. In terms of carbon dioxide pollution, the pollution from all ships in the world is utterly dwarfed by the pollution from cars.

rkul 8y ago

This is a misleading headline. What they mean by pollution is just sulfur not necessarily CO2 or other gases/particles. Read the article.

makerofspoons 8y ago
Interestingly sulfur dioxide has a net cooling effect on the atmosphere: https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/9805/would-adding-sulfur-dioxide-to-the-atmosphere-have-a-global-cooling-effect https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/9805/would-... However this effect does not outweigh the health consequences of emitting this pollution, or the contribution it makes to acid rain and other serious problems.
Nasrudith 8y ago
CO2 isn't a particulate but I would say it is slightly misleading for a different reason - car particulate requirements are pretty damn strict to the point diesels are the dominant source despite being a road minority. The numbers for cruise ships would ironically look way better in the 70s when us automakers were still trying to claim it was unreasonable to require the exhaust not smell of unburnt gasoline. And that was before catalytic converters were essentially mandatory. A more apples to apples comparison would be in trucks or buses - granted all should be improving as well.

archi42 8y ago

Here in Germany we have an ongoing issues with the whole VW (and others) cheating on emission tests with their diesel engines; this leads to some cities banning older diesel cars (usually Euro 5 emission rating and lower) from some areas or streets (imho the latter is a bad idea, but well...). BUT one has to consider: "At least" these ships emissions don't directly affect us, instead they cause various environmental effects (e.g. green house effect, acid rain,...). But car's emissions directly have an impact on OUR health. Not to say any of the two emission classes are okay, they're just different and therefore difficult to compare.

sdoering 8y ago
Well even if these ships need to switch fuel to a much cleaner variant, when nearing shore (or a harbor) they non the less pollute the city they are harboring in massively when machines are running on low power to "just" provide the necessary energy for the ship. Most harbors currently do not have supporting energy lines for these big ships. So at least some people in these cities get impacted by these ship emissions directly. I once worked shortly for a company running tourist ships and have to say I was shocked to learn how dirty this kind of travel is. I never thought about that until I learned that the ship they built while I was there was considered clean, because it was the first to have a particulate filter prototype (that had some hick ups in the beginning due to changing salt levels in the surrounding water).

Voloskaya 8y ago

No. The 16 biggest cargo ships pollute as much as all the cars, not just 16 random cargo ships. Off those 100k cargo ships the extreme majority are much much smaller.

TheCoelacanth 8y ago
Also, it's only NOx and SOx pollution where the ships beat the cars. In terms of carbon dioxide pollution, the pollution from all ships in the world is utterly dwarfed by the pollution from cars.