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Unless you try to sell the watch as real, why would it be immoral?

by ryanlol 8y ago

SamReidHughes 8y ago
Tricking people into buying fake watches is their business model, and it's a violation of copyright and trademark.
- ryanlol 8y ago
  >Tricking people into buying fake watches is their business model You know nothing about the business and are just coming up with things >and it’s a violation of copyright and trademark I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the customer anyway? As far as immoral things businesses do this one seems extraordinarily mild, hardly any cause for boycott. I rather doubt this has anything to do with morals.
  - SamReidHughes 8y ago
    It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. > I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the buyer anyway? It doesn't just affect the buyer. It affects the company being faked. And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise.
    - ryanlol 8y ago
      >It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. Sure, but I don't think that this makes manufacturing, buying, or selling fakes immoral. Most fake watches are sold to people who know that they're buying a fake watch. >It affects the company being faked. I don't believe you. Rolex isn't losing any sales because of fakes. >And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise. This hardly seems like a real argument. There are many places where it's criminal to get high or be gay.
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      - SamReidHughes 8y ago
        All the watch companies that adopted anti-counterfeiting measures believe otherwise. Edit: And the fake watch makers copy those anti-counterfeiting measures. That's how we know your story about buyers being aware of what they're buying falls apart.
        ryanlol 8y ago
        What's an anti-counterfeiting measure? Is the rolex rehaut engraving an anti-counterfeiting measure? If yes, how is it distinguishable from decoration? Sure, Rolex has their LEC but that probably has more to do with identifying OEM crystals than anti-counterfeiting. What anti-counterfeiting measures were you thinking of? I can't come up with many.
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        Freaking Seiko 5's had etched crystals as an anti-counterfeiting measure, and you want to pretend Rolex's aren't? Get real.
        ryanlol 8y ago
        Is it a measure to combat counterfeit watches or to separate OEM crystals from third party ones? It's usually not very hard to source OEM crystals, so to me it seems more likely that this would be about third party crystals and not counterfeit watches. Can you think of any other supposed anti-counterfeiting measures besides the laser etched crystals? If this is something that the watch companies actually pursued it would be weird if they stopped at just that.
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        They're going to put this conversation in a chapter about motivated reasoning someday. Seiko 5's had laser etched crystals as an anti-counterfeiting measure, and then, because counterfeiters copied that, they switched to open casebacks, an anti-counterfeiting measure that is used across the industry. "Counterfeiting costs the watchmaking industry billions each year." - Nick Hayek, CEO of the Swatch Group.
- Pristina 8y ago
  They don't 'trick' people in buying 'fake' watches. Great replica makers don't have to trick anybody, they offer a watch that look almost exactly like the original for 1/10th the price or less. Being illegal does not make it immoral.

Unless you try to sell the watch as real, why would it be immoral?

SamReidHughes 8y ago

Tricking people into buying fake watches is their business model, and it's a violation of copyright and trademark.

ryanlol 8y ago
>Tricking people into buying fake watches is their business model You know nothing about the business and are just coming up with things >and it’s a violation of copyright and trademark I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the customer anyway? As far as immoral things businesses do this one seems extraordinarily mild, hardly any cause for boycott. I rather doubt this has anything to do with morals.
- SamReidHughes 8y ago
  It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. > I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the buyer anyway? It doesn't just affect the buyer. It affects the company being faked. And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise.
  - ryanlol 8y ago
    >It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. Sure, but I don't think that this makes manufacturing, buying, or selling fakes immoral. Most fake watches are sold to people who know that they're buying a fake watch. >It affects the company being faked. I don't believe you. Rolex isn't losing any sales because of fakes. >And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise. This hardly seems like a real argument. There are many places where it's criminal to get high or be gay.
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    - SamReidHughes 8y ago
      All the watch companies that adopted anti-counterfeiting measures believe otherwise. Edit: And the fake watch makers copy those anti-counterfeiting measures. That's how we know your story about buyers being aware of what they're buying falls apart.
      - ryanlol 8y ago
        What's an anti-counterfeiting measure? Is the rolex rehaut engraving an anti-counterfeiting measure? If yes, how is it distinguishable from decoration? Sure, Rolex has their LEC but that probably has more to do with identifying OEM crystals than anti-counterfeiting. What anti-counterfeiting measures were you thinking of? I can't come up with many.
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        Freaking Seiko 5's had etched crystals as an anti-counterfeiting measure, and you want to pretend Rolex's aren't? Get real.
        ryanlol 8y ago
        Is it a measure to combat counterfeit watches or to separate OEM crystals from third party ones? It's usually not very hard to source OEM crystals, so to me it seems more likely that this would be about third party crystals and not counterfeit watches. Can you think of any other supposed anti-counterfeiting measures besides the laser etched crystals? If this is something that the watch companies actually pursued it would be weird if they stopped at just that.
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        They're going to put this conversation in a chapter about motivated reasoning someday. Seiko 5's had laser etched crystals as an anti-counterfeiting measure, and then, because counterfeiters copied that, they switched to open casebacks, an anti-counterfeiting measure that is used across the industry. "Counterfeiting costs the watchmaking industry billions each year." - Nick Hayek, CEO of the Swatch Group.
Pristina 8y ago
They don't 'trick' people in buying 'fake' watches. Great replica makers don't have to trick anybody, they offer a watch that look almost exactly like the original for 1/10th the price or less. Being illegal does not make it immoral.