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>* Avoid replicas and fakes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgKMA6Bh6U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgKMA6Bh6U) Why? These days chinese factories are pus

>* Avoid replicas and fakes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgKMA6Bh6U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgKMA6Bh6U) Why? These days chinese factories are pushing superb 4130 clones for the price of a decent seiko. This guy in the video seems to know nothing at all about the chinese watch industry.

SamReidHughes 8y ago
Because that's immoral. You can get a non-replica Chinese watch.
- ryanlol 8y ago
  Unless you try to sell the watch as real, why would it be immoral?
  - SamReidHughes 8y ago
    Tricking people into buying fake watches is their business model, and it's a violation of copyright and trademark.
    - ryanlol 8y ago
      >Tricking people into buying fake watches is their business model You know nothing about the business and are just coming up with things >and it’s a violation of copyright and trademark I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the customer anyway? As far as immoral things businesses do this one seems extraordinarily mild, hardly any cause for boycott. I rather doubt this has anything to do with morals.
      - SamReidHughes 8y ago
        It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. > I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the buyer anyway? It doesn't just affect the buyer. It affects the company being faked. And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise.
        ryanlol 8y ago
        >It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. Sure, but I don't think that this makes manufacturing, buying, or selling fakes immoral. Most fake watches are sold to people who know that they're buying a fake watch. >It affects the company being faked. I don't believe you. Rolex isn't losing any sales because of fakes. >And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise. This hardly seems like a real argument. There are many places where it's criminal to get high or be gay.
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        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        All the watch companies that adopted anti-counterfeiting measures believe otherwise. Edit: And the fake watch makers copy those anti-counterfeiting measures. That's how we know your story about buyers being aware of what they're buying falls apart.
        ryanlol 8y ago
        What's an anti-counterfeiting measure? Is the rolex rehaut engraving an anti-counterfeiting measure? If yes, how is it distinguishable from decoration? Sure, Rolex has their LEC but that probably has more to do with identifying OEM crystals than anti-counterfeiting. What anti-counterfeiting measures were you thinking of? I can't come up with many.
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        Freaking Seiko 5's had etched crystals as an anti-counterfeiting measure, and you want to pretend Rolex's aren't? Get real.
        ryanlol 8y ago
        Is it a measure to combat counterfeit watches or to separate OEM crystals from third party ones? It's usually not very hard to source OEM crystals, so to me it seems more likely that this would be about third party crystals and not counterfeit watches. Can you think of any other supposed anti-counterfeiting measures besides the laser etched crystals? If this is something that the watch companies actually pursued it would be weird if they stopped at just that.
    - Pristina 8y ago
      They don't 'trick' people in buying 'fake' watches. Great replica makers don't have to trick anybody, they offer a watch that look almost exactly like the original for 1/10th the price or less. Being illegal does not make it immoral.
paradoxparalax 8y ago
Because a clone is criminal. As long as I know. And is not only against the law, It is morally theft, some people spent A Lot of money in design for some malicious smartass chinese guy to come and copy and sell by 10 times cheaper....This is Absurd. Some people are loosing their jobs , see , maybe me myself, i am loosing a job because of Falsification... Besides, Is not really necessary, Come one, people should come out with their Own watch design right? It should be not so hard to draw a sketch with a New design, right? Its not like painting the Davinci's Monalisa, right... At least my opinion, like they say in the Good Wife Series.
- ryanlol 8y ago
  >Some people are loosing their jobs , see , maybe me myself, i am loosing a job because of Falsification... Who exactly is losing their job because of fake watches? I do not believe that you will be able to present any convincing evidence that replica watches are actually hurting the sales of genuine watches. >Lot of money in design for some malicious smartass chinese guy to come and copy and sell by 10 times cheaper What do you think about homage watches? Most people don't seem to have a problem with those, the guy in the youtube video specifically says homage watches are OK. If you aren't familiar with homage watches, look at this: http://i56.tinypic.com/k4hug1.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/k4hug1.jpg
  - paradoxparalax 8y ago
    One someones buy a fake watch, he is not buying the real one, so is there a win-win to everybody here? who is the owner of the design? man...if you were an inventor , and spend time inventing something nice, them you don't make money out of it, would you like that?
    - ryanlol 8y ago
      >One someones buy a fake watch, he is not buying the real one, so is there a win-win to everybody here? I would think that this is extremely uncommon. I think the following scenario is more likely: "X buys fake watch, X likes fake watch, X buys the real watch" >who is the owner of the design? The whole fake/not-fake thing usually has very little to do with the actual design of the watch, but the branding.

SamReidHughes 8y ago

Because that's immoral. You can get a non-replica Chinese watch.

ryanlol 8y ago
Unless you try to sell the watch as real, why would it be immoral?
- SamReidHughes 8y ago
  Tricking people into buying fake watches is their business model, and it's a violation of copyright and trademark.
  - ryanlol 8y ago
    >Tricking people into buying fake watches is their business model You know nothing about the business and are just coming up with things >and it’s a violation of copyright and trademark I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the customer anyway? As far as immoral things businesses do this one seems extraordinarily mild, hardly any cause for boycott. I rather doubt this has anything to do with morals.
    - SamReidHughes 8y ago
      It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. > I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the buyer anyway? It doesn't just affect the buyer. It affects the company being faked. And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise.
      - ryanlol 8y ago
        >It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. Sure, but I don't think that this makes manufacturing, buying, or selling fakes immoral. Most fake watches are sold to people who know that they're buying a fake watch. >It affects the company being faked. I don't believe you. Rolex isn't losing any sales because of fakes. >And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise. This hardly seems like a real argument. There are many places where it's criminal to get high or be gay.
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        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        All the watch companies that adopted anti-counterfeiting measures believe otherwise. Edit: And the fake watch makers copy those anti-counterfeiting measures. That's how we know your story about buyers being aware of what they're buying falls apart.
        ryanlol 8y ago
        What's an anti-counterfeiting measure? Is the rolex rehaut engraving an anti-counterfeiting measure? If yes, how is it distinguishable from decoration? Sure, Rolex has their LEC but that probably has more to do with identifying OEM crystals than anti-counterfeiting. What anti-counterfeiting measures were you thinking of? I can't come up with many.
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        Freaking Seiko 5's had etched crystals as an anti-counterfeiting measure, and you want to pretend Rolex's aren't? Get real.
        ryanlol 8y ago
        Is it a measure to combat counterfeit watches or to separate OEM crystals from third party ones? It's usually not very hard to source OEM crystals, so to me it seems more likely that this would be about third party crystals and not counterfeit watches. Can you think of any other supposed anti-counterfeiting measures besides the laser etched crystals? If this is something that the watch companies actually pursued it would be weird if they stopped at just that.
  - Pristina 8y ago
    They don't 'trick' people in buying 'fake' watches. Great replica makers don't have to trick anybody, they offer a watch that look almost exactly like the original for 1/10th the price or less. Being illegal does not make it immoral.

paradoxparalax 8y ago

Because a clone is criminal. As long as I know. And is not only against the law, It is morally theft, some people spent A Lot of money in design for some malicious smartass chinese guy to come and copy and sell by 10 times cheaper....This is Absurd. Some people are loosing their jobs , see , maybe me myself, i am loosing a job because of Falsification... Besides, Is not really necessary, Come one, people should come out with their Own watch design right? It should be not so hard to draw a sketch with a New design, right? Its not like painting the Davinci's Monalisa, right... At least my opinion, like they say in the Good Wife Series.

ryanlol 8y ago
>Some people are loosing their jobs , see , maybe me myself, i am loosing a job because of Falsification... Who exactly is losing their job because of fake watches? I do not believe that you will be able to present any convincing evidence that replica watches are actually hurting the sales of genuine watches. >Lot of money in design for some malicious smartass chinese guy to come and copy and sell by 10 times cheaper What do you think about homage watches? Most people don't seem to have a problem with those, the guy in the youtube video specifically says homage watches are OK. If you aren't familiar with homage watches, look at this: http://i56.tinypic.com/k4hug1.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/k4hug1.jpg
- paradoxparalax 8y ago
  One someones buy a fake watch, he is not buying the real one, so is there a win-win to everybody here? who is the owner of the design? man...if you were an inventor , and spend time inventing something nice, them you don't make money out of it, would you like that?
  - ryanlol 8y ago
    >One someones buy a fake watch, he is not buying the real one, so is there a win-win to everybody here? I would think that this is extremely uncommon. I think the following scenario is more likely: "X buys fake watch, X likes fake watch, X buys the real watch" >who is the owner of the design? The whole fake/not-fake thing usually has very little to do with the actual design of the watch, but the branding.