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Similar articles from 2 month ago with the same title: "US asks allies to drop Huawei" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18513249 https://news.ycombinator.co

Similar articles from 2 month ago with the same title: "US asks allies to drop Huawei" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18513249 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18513249 British Telecom bars Huawei's 5G kit from core of network https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18616459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18616459 Or this article from 5 months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17824757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17824757 Or this article from 1 year ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16378846 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16378846 All these articles cover the same story, while not giving any "smoking gun" evidence of huawei wrongdoing, slowly destroying their public image.

mc32 8y ago
Given the premise that: >In an age when the most powerful weapons, short of nuclear arms, are cyber-controlled, whichever country dominates 5G will gain an economic, intelligence and military edge for much of this century. It's no surprise NATO allies would not want to cede their comms infrastructure to a power which continually has engaged in cyberespionage/warfare against industrial and geopolitical rivals. I mean, if they go with Huawei for HW they might as well go with Kaspersky for Cybersecurity and cede a 1-2.
- balls187 8y ago
  > It's no surprise NATO allies would not want to cede their comms infrastructure to a power which continually has engaged in cyberespionage/warfare against industrial and geopolitical rivals. It's long been rumored that the US does this in spades (and is quite ahead of everyone else in doing so). It's less about ceding power, and instead ceding power to the devil you know vs the devil you don't.
z2 8y ago
This article, if true, gives the best context so far, in suggesting this was indeed highly coordinated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18676706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18676706
DeonPenny 8y ago
The problem isn't they have with 5G. It's that Huawei has been caught in places like Poland spying, the fact that with OTA they could, the fact that in Iran they've ignored US laws, and China has a rule that could force them anytime unlike places with Rule of law.
- altmind 8y ago
  worth noting it was huawei employee got investigated for spying, not huawei itself.
  - gruez 8y ago
    >not huawei itself. But how would you prove that huawei (the corporation) was spying? I'd imagine that you would need proof that it was officially sanctioned within the organization, at multiple levels. Since spying is illegal, you'd expect that if they were spying, that they'd be doing it in a way that generates plausible deniability for the higher ups. So it's not surprising at all that all the criminal charges so far are for employees acting on their own accord (or at least appear to be).
    - altmind 8y ago
      now you have to wait for the whole judical process to conclude. so far the employee was arrested. I have not heard he was indicted so far. And obviously he was not found guilty yet. Should we apply some different criteria of guilt based on origin? edit(charged->found gulty)
- profalseidol 8y ago
  > the fact that in Iran they've ignored US laws Why would they? It's Iran. Not anymore the song "We're all living in Amerika" is true.
  - DeonPenny 8y ago
    Because they need US technology and in order to get it they agree to some things I'd guess
chibg10 8y ago
As far as I understand it, there is no smoking gun. Ignoring some blatant IP theft some years ago, I actually think modern Huawei has been pretty free of wrongdoing in recent years. And, yet, I still agree with the US position. I think a lot of people misunderstand the relationship between Chinese businesses and the the Chinese government. There is essentially zero legal recourse to resist government requests in China. None. Even assuming Huawei has no history of wrongdoing, any data running through their telecon equipment is only secure so far as the CCP chooses to allow it. And the CCP is historically brutally aggressive with whatever they think they can get away with as far as foreign policy goes. It really sort of sucks for Huawei if they truly haven't been irresponsible actors, but that doesn't change the realities of the situation.

mc32 8y ago

Given the premise that: >In an age when the most powerful weapons, short of nuclear arms, are cyber-controlled, whichever country dominates 5G will gain an economic, intelligence and military edge for much of this century. It's no surprise NATO allies would not want to cede their comms infrastructure to a power which continually has engaged in cyberespionage/warfare against industrial and geopolitical rivals. I mean, if they go with Huawei for HW they might as well go with Kaspersky for Cybersecurity and cede a 1-2.

balls187 8y ago
> It's no surprise NATO allies would not want to cede their comms infrastructure to a power which continually has engaged in cyberespionage/warfare against industrial and geopolitical rivals. It's long been rumored that the US does this in spades (and is quite ahead of everyone else in doing so). It's less about ceding power, and instead ceding power to the devil you know vs the devil you don't.

z2 8y ago

This article, if true, gives the best context so far, in suggesting this was indeed highly coordinated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18676706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18676706

DeonPenny 8y ago

The problem isn't they have with 5G. It's that Huawei has been caught in places like Poland spying, the fact that with OTA they could, the fact that in Iran they've ignored US laws, and China has a rule that could force them anytime unlike places with Rule of law.

altmind 8y ago
worth noting it was huawei employee got investigated for spying, not huawei itself.
- gruez 8y ago
  >not huawei itself. But how would you prove that huawei (the corporation) was spying? I'd imagine that you would need proof that it was officially sanctioned within the organization, at multiple levels. Since spying is illegal, you'd expect that if they were spying, that they'd be doing it in a way that generates plausible deniability for the higher ups. So it's not surprising at all that all the criminal charges so far are for employees acting on their own accord (or at least appear to be).
  - altmind 8y ago
    now you have to wait for the whole judical process to conclude. so far the employee was arrested. I have not heard he was indicted so far. And obviously he was not found guilty yet. Should we apply some different criteria of guilt based on origin? edit(charged->found gulty)
profalseidol 8y ago
> the fact that in Iran they've ignored US laws Why would they? It's Iran. Not anymore the song "We're all living in Amerika" is true.
- DeonPenny 8y ago
  Because they need US technology and in order to get it they agree to some things I'd guess

chibg10 8y ago

As far as I understand it, there is no smoking gun. Ignoring some blatant IP theft some years ago, I actually think modern Huawei has been pretty free of wrongdoing in recent years. And, yet, I still agree with the US position. I think a lot of people misunderstand the relationship between Chinese businesses and the the Chinese government. There is essentially zero legal recourse to resist government requests in China. None. Even assuming Huawei has no history of wrongdoing, any data running through their telecon equipment is only secure so far as the CCP chooses to allow it. And the CCP is historically brutally aggressive with whatever they think they can get away with as far as foreign policy goes. It really sort of sucks for Huawei if they truly haven't been irresponsible actors, but that doesn't change the realities of the situation.