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They are more than willing, it is what they require. That is what he is saying is the problem. Android has none 'built in', so in order to bring the app to a ha

by YooLi 16y ago

They are more than willing, it is what they require. That is what he is saying is the problem. Android has none 'built in', so in order to bring the app to a handset, the manufacturer of the handset has to provide it.

nkurz 16y ago
I don't think this is quite true. Doesn't Netflix on Mac use Microsoft's Silverlight, which is not provided by Apple? And wouldn't the streaming requirements for Hulu (which is using Flash) be the essentially the same as for Netflix? So while they are saying that the manufacturer has to provide the DRM, I'm not sure where this 'requirement' is coming from.
- YooLi 16y ago
  On PCs they chose the Silverlight platform, but what do PCs have to do with mobile devices. Silverlight isn't available on mobile devices, and choosing Flash for android deployment wouldn't help them much either. How many android devices run flash? How many of those run it well? Does anyone provide a content protection framework for Android? No, and that's the problem. What part isn't 'quite true'?
  - nkurz 16y ago
    what do PCs have to do with mobile devices I see them as pretty much indistinguishable, but maybe my perspective is skewed: my cell phone (HTC Incredible) and my laptop (Thinkpad X31) have roughly comparable processors and both run Linux. There's some differences in API, but I don't see anything inherently different about them. As time goes on, I think the blurring will continue. How many android devices run flash I'm not sure, but I presume that anything running Android 2.2 will. This should include all high end phones sold this year, plus everything for the future. I think most of these run it well, and would bet that all future Android phones will. What part isn't 'quite true'? I feel it is false to say that either Netflix or the studios require that the DRM be provided by the underlying OS. I think this is proven the existence of Netflix streaming to Silverlight in OSX. The ability of Hulu to use a flash solution also casts doubt, but this might depend on whether 'they' refers to the studios or to Netflix. But if it's a Netflix requirement to require OS level DRM, I'd wonder why they have this requirement.
    - tedunangst 16y ago
      Netflix requires OS level DRM because Netflix doesn't want to be in the DRM writing business.
      - pyre 16y ago
        But Silverlight on MacOSX isn't 'OS-level DRM'
        tedunangst 16y ago
        Neither is it provided by Netflix.
        beej71 16y ago
        So it sounds like the "OS level" part is irrelevant?
    - YooLi 16y ago
      How many android devices run flash? How many of those run it well? It's the 2nd question which puts perspective on the first. No one is raving about Flash performance on Android. Netflix isn't going to release a client with poor performance. Everyone will blame Netflix for it. Of course future Android phones will run Flash fine (faster processors, more ram, whatever), but that's not a solution today. The Netflix Android clients have been in development for months (see their blog posts) and will be released in the first part of 2011 (few months). Will those Android phones that have no problem with Flash be here in a few months? If so, how many of those will there be in comparison to the install base now that netflix is trying target? Does anyone provide a content protection framework for Android? See that question? It's talking about 3rd party solutions. Not about DRM being provided by the underlying OS. Not sure why you are hanging on that point to call out Netflix's blog response as BS. Irdeto provides the content protection framework for Netflix to use on GoogleTV. Netflix isn't requiring the OS to have one. iOS and WM7 happen to provide their own, which is why they have clients already. Android doesn't and no one provides one.

by YooLi 16y ago

nkurz 16y ago

I don't think this is quite true. Doesn't Netflix on Mac use Microsoft's Silverlight, which is not provided by Apple? And wouldn't the streaming requirements for Hulu (which is using Flash) be the essentially the same as for Netflix? So while they are saying that the manufacturer has to provide the DRM, I'm not sure where this 'requirement' is coming from.

YooLi 16y ago
On PCs they chose the Silverlight platform, but what do PCs have to do with mobile devices. Silverlight isn't available on mobile devices, and choosing Flash for android deployment wouldn't help them much either. How many android devices run flash? How many of those run it well? Does anyone provide a content protection framework for Android? No, and that's the problem. What part isn't 'quite true'?
- nkurz 16y ago
  what do PCs have to do with mobile devices I see them as pretty much indistinguishable, but maybe my perspective is skewed: my cell phone (HTC Incredible) and my laptop (Thinkpad X31) have roughly comparable processors and both run Linux. There's some differences in API, but I don't see anything inherently different about them. As time goes on, I think the blurring will continue. How many android devices run flash I'm not sure, but I presume that anything running Android 2.2 will. This should include all high end phones sold this year, plus everything for the future. I think most of these run it well, and would bet that all future Android phones will. What part isn't 'quite true'? I feel it is false to say that either Netflix or the studios require that the DRM be provided by the underlying OS. I think this is proven the existence of Netflix streaming to Silverlight in OSX. The ability of Hulu to use a flash solution also casts doubt, but this might depend on whether 'they' refers to the studios or to Netflix. But if it's a Netflix requirement to require OS level DRM, I'd wonder why they have this requirement.
  - tedunangst 16y ago
    Netflix requires OS level DRM because Netflix doesn't want to be in the DRM writing business.
    - pyre 16y ago
      But Silverlight on MacOSX isn't 'OS-level DRM'
      - tedunangst 16y ago
        Neither is it provided by Netflix.
        beej71 16y ago
        So it sounds like the "OS level" part is irrelevant?
  - YooLi 16y ago
    How many android devices run flash? How many of those run it well? It's the 2nd question which puts perspective on the first. No one is raving about Flash performance on Android. Netflix isn't going to release a client with poor performance. Everyone will blame Netflix for it. Of course future Android phones will run Flash fine (faster processors, more ram, whatever), but that's not a solution today. The Netflix Android clients have been in development for months (see their blog posts) and will be released in the first part of 2011 (few months). Will those Android phones that have no problem with Flash be here in a few months? If so, how many of those will there be in comparison to the install base now that netflix is trying target? Does anyone provide a content protection framework for Android? See that question? It's talking about 3rd party solutions. Not about DRM being provided by the underlying OS. Not sure why you are hanging on that point to call out Netflix's blog response as BS. Irdeto provides the content protection framework for Netflix to use on GoogleTV. Netflix isn't requiring the OS to have one. iOS and WM7 happen to provide their own, which is why they have clients already. Android doesn't and no one provides one.