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Dont worry about robots and self driving tanks. That I can assure you, will not happen. Any one still selling that is selling a pipe dream. The acid test for s

Dont worry about robots and self driving tanks. That I can assure you, will not happen. Any one still selling that is selling a pipe dream. The acid test for self driving cars is whether they can drive down a road in India or any other country where people don't have western stands of driving discipline. The worse the better. HOWEVER, And this is the idea I would pursue and sell to authoritarian governments everywhere you don't need Level 5 autonomous cars to get autonomous cars.

50656E6973 8y ago
Your assurances mean nothing. The robots are already here, drones are already "self driving"
- scottlocklin 8y ago
  Total fantasy. As is the combination of words "AI" -what people really mean is "a data scientist coded up a classifier."
  - asdf333 8y ago
    have you seen alphastar beat a professional starcraft 2 player? that is a system making decisions with imperfect information and a dynamic opponent. i guess you could call it a classifier but it is a complex one that can make some great decisions
    - intended 8y ago
      Its still a fully encapsulated set of input and output. The opponent is never able to change the rule set itself. Motivated attackers will target the AI itself, or its drones. Effectively autonomous vehicles are not there yet - when the first real war with these things happens, the evolutionary hacking and counter hacking cycle is going to be ridiculous, if they ever get deployed.
  - 50656E6973 8y ago
    Wrong https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle#Autonomy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle#Auto...
wan23 8y ago
Self driving tanks don't seem particularly useful, but how about autonomous drones that swoop in to take out specific targets. Perhaps these targets are identified by running face recognition on a network of cameras that span a city. What if the targets are chosen by an algorithm that monitors social media and uses unknown criteria to determine each person's probability of being an enemy of the state?
- intended 8y ago
  I wouldn't say they are comparable. I mean, the drones have to kill people in the first place, so if they end up doing that its a feature not a bug. Drones are still relatively easier than tanks or cars which have to obey rules of traffic and interaction in day to day use. Flying killer autonomous drones don't have to follow high way rules, or worry about many cases that civilian life throws up.

50656E6973 8y ago

Your assurances mean nothing. The robots are already here, drones are already "self driving"

scottlocklin 8y ago
Total fantasy. As is the combination of words "AI" -what people really mean is "a data scientist coded up a classifier."
- asdf333 8y ago
  have you seen alphastar beat a professional starcraft 2 player? that is a system making decisions with imperfect information and a dynamic opponent. i guess you could call it a classifier but it is a complex one that can make some great decisions
  - intended 8y ago
    Its still a fully encapsulated set of input and output. The opponent is never able to change the rule set itself. Motivated attackers will target the AI itself, or its drones. Effectively autonomous vehicles are not there yet - when the first real war with these things happens, the evolutionary hacking and counter hacking cycle is going to be ridiculous, if they ever get deployed.
- 50656E6973 8y ago
  Wrong https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle#Autonomy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle#Auto...

wan23 8y ago

Self driving tanks don't seem particularly useful, but how about autonomous drones that swoop in to take out specific targets. Perhaps these targets are identified by running face recognition on a network of cameras that span a city. What if the targets are chosen by an algorithm that monitors social media and uses unknown criteria to determine each person's probability of being an enemy of the state?

intended 8y ago
I wouldn't say they are comparable. I mean, the drones have to kill people in the first place, so if they end up doing that its a feature not a bug. Drones are still relatively easier than tanks or cars which have to obey rules of traffic and interaction in day to day use. Flying killer autonomous drones don't have to follow high way rules, or worry about many cases that civilian life throws up.