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Falafel: The staple dish of the Middle East is as contested as the region

18 points by benbreen 8y ago

yesenadam 8y ago
Whether pavlova is Australian or New Zealandy has also been frequently contested.. "The nationality of its creator has been a source of argument between the two nations for many years" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlova_(cake) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlova_(cake) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482 https://www.goodfood.com.au/eat-out/news/pavlova-research-reveals-desserts-shock-origins-20151010-gk5yv9 https://www.goodfood.com.au/eat-out/news/pavlova-research-re... But we don't want to wipe each other from the earth over that or anything else.
- ironic_ali 8y ago
  I was at a bbq recently and the host lady had made a pavlova (or "Pav" as it's known). I jokingly asked if it was Australian and everyone including her laughed, but there were daggers behind the eyes...
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- timClicks 8y ago
  It's not so much "contested", it's more that there are over 20 million Australians who prefer their own wishful thinking to the facts
nailer 8y ago
> While the Israelis have fêted it as one of their national dishes, the Palestinians are resentful of what they perceive as the ‘theft’ of a distinctly Arab speciality. This sentence doesn't quite make sense. From what I read around half the Jews in Israel are Arabic.
- nailer 8y ago
  Not sure why this being downvoted, I don't think anyone disputes it. If you want a source, Bari Weiss from the NYT discussed this on Joe Rogan a few days ago.
amitport 8y ago
Israeli-Palestinian argue a lot... but they don't really argue about Falafel Israelis generally see Falafel as an Arab origin dish. +There are Jews that are in Israel for thousands of years (eating middle eastern food) +There are Arab-Jews +There are Arab-Israelis You won't really hear a Jew with Russian origins claiming Falafel is his heritage
- cobookman 8y ago
  There were Arab Jews. Most the Arab countries kicked out their Jewish population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Mu...
  - vanterdon 8y ago
    They are still Arab Jews, their being 'Arab' wasn't removed when they left for Israel.
robin_reala 8y ago
Outside of the middle east, the best falafel I’ve eaten has been at Jalla Jalla[1] in Malmö (arabic tradition) and L’As du Fallafel in Paris (jewish tradition). [1] https://www.facebook.com/JallaJalla2003/ https://www.facebook.com/JallaJalla2003/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27As_du_Fallafel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27As_du_Fallafel
- virtualwhys 8y ago
  Shalom Falafel in Jerusalem is excellent, although the lack of a queue was a bit of an adjustment for this non-hebrew speaking foreigner -- you basically just shout (or wave your arms wildly in my case) to get someone's attention.
pragmaticlurker 8y ago
they are good!
ykevinator 8y ago
What does levantine mean?
- yots 8y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant

18 points by benbreen 8y ago

Whether pavlova is Australian or New Zealandy has also been frequently contested.. "The nationality of its creator has been a source of argument between the two nations for many years" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlova_(cake) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlova_(cake) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482 https://www.goodfood.com.au/eat-out/news/pavlova-research-reveals-desserts-shock-origins-20151010-gk5yv9 https://www.goodfood.com.au/eat-out/news/pavlova-research-re... But we don't want to wipe each other from the earth over that or anything else.

ironic_ali 8y ago
I was at a bbq recently and the host lady had made a pavlova (or "Pav" as it's known). I jokingly asked if it was Australian and everyone including her laughed, but there were daggers behind the eyes...
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timClicks 8y ago
It's not so much "contested", it's more that there are over 20 million Australians who prefer their own wishful thinking to the facts

nailer 8y ago

> While the Israelis have fêted it as one of their national dishes, the Palestinians are resentful of what they perceive as the ‘theft’ of a distinctly Arab speciality. This sentence doesn't quite make sense. From what I read around half the Jews in Israel are Arabic.

nailer 8y ago
Not sure why this being downvoted, I don't think anyone disputes it. If you want a source, Bari Weiss from the NYT discussed this on Joe Rogan a few days ago.

amitport 8y ago

Israeli-Palestinian argue a lot... but they don't really argue about Falafel Israelis generally see Falafel as an Arab origin dish. +There are Jews that are in Israel for thousands of years (eating middle eastern food) +There are Arab-Jews +There are Arab-Israelis You won't really hear a Jew with Russian origins claiming Falafel is his heritage

cobookman 8y ago
There were Arab Jews. Most the Arab countries kicked out their Jewish population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Mu...
- vanterdon 8y ago
  They are still Arab Jews, their being 'Arab' wasn't removed when they left for Israel.

robin_reala 8y ago

Outside of the middle east, the best falafel I’ve eaten has been at Jalla Jalla[1] in Malmö (arabic tradition) and L’As du Fallafel in Paris (jewish tradition). [1] https://www.facebook.com/JallaJalla2003/ https://www.facebook.com/JallaJalla2003/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27As_du_Fallafel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27As_du_Fallafel

virtualwhys 8y ago
Shalom Falafel in Jerusalem is excellent, although the lack of a queue was a bit of an adjustment for this non-hebrew speaking foreigner -- you basically just shout (or wave your arms wildly in my case) to get someone's attention.

pragmaticlurker 8y ago

they are good!

ykevinator 8y ago

What does levantine mean?

yots 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant