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Because "Eating People is Wrong". Vegan here, my gf had a shirt saying that, with the Goya picture Saturn Devouring his Son[0] on it. I liked it so much she go

Because "Eating People is Wrong". Vegan here, my gf had a shirt saying that, with the Goya picture Saturn Devouring his Son[0] on it. I liked it so much she got me one too. Important message, I think. But seriously...we can, see the book/movie Alive[1]. If it's that or starve to death, we all would. It apparently was (is?) common in many traditional cultures, e.g. (as I learnt recently) in areas of the Philippines until the 19th C. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Devouring_His_Son https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Devouring_His_Son [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106246/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106246/

jelliclesfarm 8y ago
But if they are not slaughtered/killed for food and are ‘harvested’ just before their eminent demise, what is wrong with using perfectly good food. Obviously there are ethical issues/black market abuse etc. but it seems such a waste to inject a body full of formaldehyde or whatever or burn it or bury it after the homo sapien organism is considered an empty shell after its organs cease to function. Thanks for all that first quote! I love Flanders and Swann! I used to think it hilarious and fun to start singing ‘The Reluctant Cannibal’ at dinners until I had to stop doing it because 1. No one got it anymore 2. They didn’t think it was funny. I am a vegetarian, but I might be less squeamish about ingesting meat if it was harvested ethically. Perhaps mere minutes after death or right after death. We harvest organs after one dies. Why not the rest of the body?
- yesenadam 8y ago
  Such schemes are called 'modest proposals' after Swift's original https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal Well yes, I've wondered why people who think factory farming at its worst is acceptable, with their "The animal wouldn't exist without the farm" and "painless slaughter is OK" arguments etc, never consider farmed human meat. One could use a lot of the factory farming arguments in its favour. (Both are abhorrent to me.)
  - jelliclesfarm 8y ago
    I would hazard a guess that while Swift was a brilliant satirist, he likely drew from what was probably not taboo. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Psalmanazar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Psalmanazar : Psalmanazar was supposedly one of the real life people he borrowed from..he was an imposter who claimed to be from Formosa(Taiwan) and spun tales about human sacrifice and priests eating the hearts of young boys. Now this might not have been entirely untrue because China(definitely not the same as Formosa as those times..but in the broader geographical region) definitely had a recipe book for cooking convicts and each crime had a custom recipe and even which parts of the body was used etc. In India, thugees regularly sacrificed children because they were pure and blemishless. Mythology is full of children being killed by the Asuras or the ‘evil kings’ of prophesied enemies by snatching them up as infants right after they were born and killed. Child sacrifice in Pre Colombian cultures were not uncommon either. Incas certainly offered children as sacrifice but likely didn’t rely on children for sustenance. Do you see the theme of religion seeking children as sacrifice? Which meant the priests likely ate them first...prior to becoming pastoral settlers and farmers, children were a burden to hunter gatherer communities. They held them back and the women were occupied with the raising of children. They had as few children as they could...as they settled down and started farming and owning properties and the concept of inheritance occurred wrt new ‘wealth’, then having a lot of children not just for labour but also for insurance became a desirable necessity. Let’s not forget the filial sacrifice in the Old Testament..the very first Abrahamic lore starts with a father sacrificing his son on the mount. It occurs again and again in many of the stories of offering burnt sacrifices of children to God in the many stories. Later, there are many prohibitions against child and human sacrifice which means that it was a common practice earlier...likely with the cannonites and who worshipped Baal and Moloch as idols. I wouldn’t forget the Assyrians either... Having said that, the Spartans were known to have exposed their infants..especially the sickly ones. Don’t know if they consumed them tho’..but these were a warrior people and not by those conducting religious priestly activity. But once again it’s a form of euthanasia/eugenics because they only wanted strong future warriors. And of course, Cato’s plea for Carthago Delenda Est because they were child sacrificers. Time and again, we see sacrifice of humans ..and especially children..in our history. The more I think about it, every single culture in myth and lore has child sacrifice. It’s actually remarkable...agriculture probably changed that because more hands means more land could be cultivated which meant there would be enough food from the land. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice : there seems to be more! Even Grimm’s Tales was pretty with Hansel and Gretel being caught by the witch and readied for the stew pot. The original fairy tales definitely wasn’t meant to be a metaphor or satire. Altho..this..in our modern times with its illustrations and witticisms offers a gentle reminder to children and adults alike as to who we really are: https://www.amazon.com/How-Cook-Children-Grisly-Recipe/dp/1862057710 https://www.amazon.com/How-Cook-Children-Grisly-Recipe/dp/18... Phew!
jelliclesfarm 8y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism : lots of info. Generic Wiki entry.
jelliclesfarm 8y ago
Oh my! The Goya painting has a name ..Filial Cannibalism with benefits and cons as well.. from: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_cannibalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_cannibalism [...]Benefits Satisfies current energy or nutrition requirements. In a bad reproductive environment, cannibalism is a way to make a recouping reproductive investment. Puts evolutionary pressure on offspring in order to make the offspring develop quicker. May increase the reproductive rate of a parent by making that parent more attractive to potential mates. Gets rid of offspring that take too long to mature. Removes weaker offspring in an overproduced brood, which makes the other offspring more likely to be successful Costs Loss of fitness. Transmission of diseases and parasites. Decrease of success in current reproduction. [..]

jelliclesfarm 8y ago

But if they are not slaughtered/killed for food and are ‘harvested’ just before their eminent demise, what is wrong with using perfectly good food. Obviously there are ethical issues/black market abuse etc. but it seems such a waste to inject a body full of formaldehyde or whatever or burn it or bury it after the homo sapien organism is considered an empty shell after its organs cease to function. Thanks for all that first quote! I love Flanders and Swann! I used to think it hilarious and fun to start singing ‘The Reluctant Cannibal’ at dinners until I had to stop doing it because 1. No one got it anymore 2. They didn’t think it was funny. I am a vegetarian, but I might be less squeamish about ingesting meat if it was harvested ethically. Perhaps mere minutes after death or right after death. We harvest organs after one dies. Why not the rest of the body?

yesenadam 8y ago
Such schemes are called 'modest proposals' after Swift's original https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal Well yes, I've wondered why people who think factory farming at its worst is acceptable, with their "The animal wouldn't exist without the farm" and "painless slaughter is OK" arguments etc, never consider farmed human meat. One could use a lot of the factory farming arguments in its favour. (Both are abhorrent to me.)
- jelliclesfarm 8y ago
  I would hazard a guess that while Swift was a brilliant satirist, he likely drew from what was probably not taboo. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Psalmanazar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Psalmanazar : Psalmanazar was supposedly one of the real life people he borrowed from..he was an imposter who claimed to be from Formosa(Taiwan) and spun tales about human sacrifice and priests eating the hearts of young boys. Now this might not have been entirely untrue because China(definitely not the same as Formosa as those times..but in the broader geographical region) definitely had a recipe book for cooking convicts and each crime had a custom recipe and even which parts of the body was used etc. In India, thugees regularly sacrificed children because they were pure and blemishless. Mythology is full of children being killed by the Asuras or the ‘evil kings’ of prophesied enemies by snatching them up as infants right after they were born and killed. Child sacrifice in Pre Colombian cultures were not uncommon either. Incas certainly offered children as sacrifice but likely didn’t rely on children for sustenance. Do you see the theme of religion seeking children as sacrifice? Which meant the priests likely ate them first...prior to becoming pastoral settlers and farmers, children were a burden to hunter gatherer communities. They held them back and the women were occupied with the raising of children. They had as few children as they could...as they settled down and started farming and owning properties and the concept of inheritance occurred wrt new ‘wealth’, then having a lot of children not just for labour but also for insurance became a desirable necessity. Let’s not forget the filial sacrifice in the Old Testament..the very first Abrahamic lore starts with a father sacrificing his son on the mount. It occurs again and again in many of the stories of offering burnt sacrifices of children to God in the many stories. Later, there are many prohibitions against child and human sacrifice which means that it was a common practice earlier...likely with the cannonites and who worshipped Baal and Moloch as idols. I wouldn’t forget the Assyrians either... Having said that, the Spartans were known to have exposed their infants..especially the sickly ones. Don’t know if they consumed them tho’..but these were a warrior people and not by those conducting religious priestly activity. But once again it’s a form of euthanasia/eugenics because they only wanted strong future warriors. And of course, Cato’s plea for Carthago Delenda Est because they were child sacrificers. Time and again, we see sacrifice of humans ..and especially children..in our history. The more I think about it, every single culture in myth and lore has child sacrifice. It’s actually remarkable...agriculture probably changed that because more hands means more land could be cultivated which meant there would be enough food from the land. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice : there seems to be more! Even Grimm’s Tales was pretty with Hansel and Gretel being caught by the witch and readied for the stew pot. The original fairy tales definitely wasn’t meant to be a metaphor or satire. Altho..this..in our modern times with its illustrations and witticisms offers a gentle reminder to children and adults alike as to who we really are: https://www.amazon.com/How-Cook-Children-Grisly-Recipe/dp/1862057710 https://www.amazon.com/How-Cook-Children-Grisly-Recipe/dp/18... Phew!

jelliclesfarm 8y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism : lots of info. Generic Wiki entry.

jelliclesfarm 8y ago

Oh my! The Goya painting has a name ..Filial Cannibalism with benefits and cons as well.. from: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_cannibalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_cannibalism [...]Benefits Satisfies current energy or nutrition requirements. In a bad reproductive environment, cannibalism is a way to make a recouping reproductive investment. Puts evolutionary pressure on offspring in order to make the offspring develop quicker. May increase the reproductive rate of a parent by making that parent more attractive to potential mates. Gets rid of offspring that take too long to mature. Removes weaker offspring in an overproduced brood, which makes the other offspring more likely to be successful Costs Loss of fitness. Transmission of diseases and parasites. Decrease of success in current reproduction. [..]