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Getting along with people actually matters. Brilliant jerks lower the morale and output of everyone around them. I agree that promotion processes suck if they

Getting along with people actually matters. Brilliant jerks lower the morale and output of everyone around them. I agree that promotion processes suck if they don't create room for understated high achievers, people who are just a little more shy or awkward or humble. But focusing exclusively on individual output and ignoring more pathologic behaviors can lead to massive problems. And some team projects absolutely require communication as a core skill that influences overall output.

danaris 8y ago
But none of that is the same kind of “playing politics” that it sounds like is required by Google’s processes. Indeed, if you’re good at playing politics, you can be an absolute jerk on a regular basis, but still get promoted all the time by saying the right things to the promotion board. Someone else’s comment had it almost right: playing politics is anything you choose to do at work primarily for the purpose of making yourself look good to those you think have the power to promote or fire you.
- joshuamorton 8y ago
  Something apparently missing from this is that what you say is only a small part of what the promo committee looks at. They also see peer reviews from coworkers and your manager. So this idea of blindly sucking up to the promo committee doesn't happen. (And in practice I'd agree, everyone I've seen get promo deserved it).
- vkou 8y ago
  The promotion board pays attention to what your co-workers say. More attention to that, then what you say, actually. If everyone says you're an asshole in your promotion packet, you're going to have a hard time getting promoted.
coldtea 8y ago
>Getting along with people actually matters. And that's another thing that can't be decided by a committee where you go and play nice for a few hours...

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Getting along with people actually matters. Brilliant jerks lower the morale and output of everyone around them. I agree that promotion processes suck if they

by brownbat 8y ago

danaris 8y ago
But none of that is the same kind of “playing politics” that it sounds like is required by Google’s processes. Indeed, if you’re good at playing politics, you can be an absolute jerk on a regular basis, but still get promoted all the time by saying the right things to the promotion board. Someone else’s comment had it almost right: playing politics is anything you choose to do at work primarily for the purpose of making yourself look good to those you think have the power to promote or fire you.
- joshuamorton 8y ago
  Something apparently missing from this is that what you say is only a small part of what the promo committee looks at. They also see peer reviews from coworkers and your manager. So this idea of blindly sucking up to the promo committee doesn't happen. (And in practice I'd agree, everyone I've seen get promo deserved it).
- vkou 8y ago
  The promotion board pays attention to what your co-workers say. More attention to that, then what you say, actually. If everyone says you're an asshole in your promotion packet, you're going to have a hard time getting promoted.
coldtea 8y ago
>Getting along with people actually matters. And that's another thing that can't be decided by a committee where you go and play nice for a few hours...