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Do you see any way that Democrats could have come to the table and negotiated to end this? Do you think they should have compromised to end shutdown? Compromis
by bargl 8y ago
Do you see any way that Democrats could have come to the table and negotiated to end this? Do you think they should have compromised to end shutdown? Compromised as in, funding the wall but putting money for increased bandwidh for asylum seekers. Permanent status for DACA recipients. What would you accept personally?
Obviously the Senate changed between December and Jan.
Just as obviously things have changed since Obama proposed a wall.
It has become a political mouthpiece. Democrats would put funding out there if it wasn't a wall just to make Trump lose and he won't let that happen. It is about each side wanting to win, and we lose.
His justification for the wall is bullshit, but there are a lot of Republican pundits out there who have solid reasoning behind the wall with some (albiet questionable) data to support it There is an estimate that immigration costs the US 116b per year, with another more conservative estimate at ~60b. Both agreeing that there is a cost to illegal imigrants on the system. The highest cost being on educating the youth, which then as naturalized citizens become tax payers. Speculation on the data from the lower estimate is that this is also a wash. This is what I was able to dig up but I'm sure there is even more nuance to these arguments. I'd suggest you go dig too and don't take my word for it.
What I want to see - A bill proposing a wall, but also an increased and reformed immigration policy that allows low wage workers a path to the USA without needing to be asylum seekers. I'd like to see us make it easier for people from the southern border to come in and find a place and pay taxes. That gives us teh ability to vet migrants in a systemic way (and secure), but also fight the negative birth rate in the US.
Edit, I also want you to know while we can disagree I think conversation is good. I by no means support Trump, I think he's a black stain on the Republican party. It's disgusting. But I try to look at each thing he does outside of the rhetoric he spews, which is honestly very hard. .