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>A TBM is pressurized. Article is about unpressurised planes. TBMs also have quick-don masks as standard equipment and very loud alarms warning you if cabin dep

>A TBM is pressurized. Article is about unpressurised planes. TBMs also have quick-don masks as standard equipment and very loud alarms warning you if cabin depressurizes The problem is they lose pressure all the time. And when that happens, the average pilot has no ability to figure out what's happening or fix the problem until it's too late. They market these planes to people that really shouldn't be flying them, no different than high end sports cars.

dmitrygr 8y ago
Checklist for depressurization alarm says to put on quick-don mask. That is all you need to do to prevent a fatal outcome, after that, you have plenty of time to diagnose the issue or safely descend. Not sure what you are talking about, but a pilot unable to execute the first item on a checklist has other problems clearly.
- Retric 8y ago
  You have very little time to correctly don a mask. It’s a serious situation with a high risk of death.
  - dmitrygr 8y ago
    Nonsense! TUC at 30,000 feet is 1 to 2 minutes if slow decompression, 30-60 seconds if rapid. If you lack cöordination and movement ability to reach two feet, grab a mask and apply it to your face in that time, you have no business flying a plane (or for that matter doing anything else like driving or operating a basic dinner cutlery set like a fork and a knife)
    - Retric 8y ago
      Rapid depreciation is a highly stressful situation. You need reolize the single most import thing to do not ‘just fly the plane’ or check the dammage, but rather to start putting on a mask in a few seconds or you will die. Waiting wasting even 20 seconds may not give you enough time to finish putting the mask on properly. The US Air Force has a long list of people who failed to do the correct thing in similar situations. On top of that even assume you would get it right 99/100 times that’s still more danger than most people experience over a full year.
      - dmitrygr 8y ago
        USAF flies a lot higher than 30k. most single engine turboprops do not. HUGE difference. TUC at 40k is seconds...
        Retric 8y ago
        USAF stretches back through a long history of aviation. They really have lost people at 30k feet to this.
      - perl4ever 8y ago
        It makes me think of jumping out of a plane. Pulling the cord to open your parachute sounds like a really simple thing, but doing a really simple thing correctly and quickly when you are otherwise about to die is harder than you might think. And when skydiving, even for the first time, you get to prepare for the event, rather than having it sprung on you.
        dmitrygr 8y ago
        This is precisely why people train for sudden depressurization. That way when the unexpected thing happens, you're ready for it anyways. If you're not, nobody should have given you your license. I know friends who have had real emergencies and handled them gracefully. I have had my engine suddenly quit on me while I was over downtown Dallas, and I've had my oxygen system fail up in the flight levels. Handled both just fine. If you were well-trained, training just kicks in. If something bad going suddenly scares you, if you're not comfortable with your ability to handle sudden spikes in stress, you're just not cut out to be a pilot.
        Retric 8y ago
        Something clicked when you mentioned being ‘given a license.’ Realistic and regular training can make a huge difference and is really important. But, it only goes so far. Some people simply react poorly in stressful situations so organizations tend to simply resort to filtering people out. That does not happen nearly as much in general aviation. Sometimes people go unaturally calm, other times they flip out and it’s not always predictable how someone is going to react. So, this might not be an issue for you, but plenty of evidence suggests it is a widespread issue.

dmitrygr 8y ago

Checklist for depressurization alarm says to put on quick-don mask. That is all you need to do to prevent a fatal outcome, after that, you have plenty of time to diagnose the issue or safely descend. Not sure what you are talking about, but a pilot unable to execute the first item on a checklist has other problems clearly.

Retric 8y ago
You have very little time to correctly don a mask. It’s a serious situation with a high risk of death.
- dmitrygr 8y ago
  Nonsense! TUC at 30,000 feet is 1 to 2 minutes if slow decompression, 30-60 seconds if rapid. If you lack cöordination and movement ability to reach two feet, grab a mask and apply it to your face in that time, you have no business flying a plane (or for that matter doing anything else like driving or operating a basic dinner cutlery set like a fork and a knife)
  - Retric 8y ago
    Rapid depreciation is a highly stressful situation. You need reolize the single most import thing to do not ‘just fly the plane’ or check the dammage, but rather to start putting on a mask in a few seconds or you will die. Waiting wasting even 20 seconds may not give you enough time to finish putting the mask on properly. The US Air Force has a long list of people who failed to do the correct thing in similar situations. On top of that even assume you would get it right 99/100 times that’s still more danger than most people experience over a full year.
    - dmitrygr 8y ago
      USAF flies a lot higher than 30k. most single engine turboprops do not. HUGE difference. TUC at 40k is seconds...
      - Retric 8y ago
        USAF stretches back through a long history of aviation. They really have lost people at 30k feet to this.
    - perl4ever 8y ago
      It makes me think of jumping out of a plane. Pulling the cord to open your parachute sounds like a really simple thing, but doing a really simple thing correctly and quickly when you are otherwise about to die is harder than you might think. And when skydiving, even for the first time, you get to prepare for the event, rather than having it sprung on you.
      - dmitrygr 8y ago
        This is precisely why people train for sudden depressurization. That way when the unexpected thing happens, you're ready for it anyways. If you're not, nobody should have given you your license. I know friends who have had real emergencies and handled them gracefully. I have had my engine suddenly quit on me while I was over downtown Dallas, and I've had my oxygen system fail up in the flight levels. Handled both just fine. If you were well-trained, training just kicks in. If something bad going suddenly scares you, if you're not comfortable with your ability to handle sudden spikes in stress, you're just not cut out to be a pilot.
        Retric 8y ago
        Something clicked when you mentioned being ‘given a license.’ Realistic and regular training can make a huge difference and is really important. But, it only goes so far. Some people simply react poorly in stressful situations so organizations tend to simply resort to filtering people out. That does not happen nearly as much in general aviation. Sometimes people go unaturally calm, other times they flip out and it’s not always predictable how someone is going to react. So, this might not be an issue for you, but plenty of evidence suggests it is a widespread issue.