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Here’s my salary to help ppl negotiate: I worked for KPMG previously (within 12 months) and made 140k as an AWS Architect (designing the environment and then b
by Bucephalus355 8y ago
Here’s my salary to help ppl negotiate:
I worked for KPMG previously (within 12 months) and made 140k as an AWS Architect (designing the environment and then building it out in the GUI).
This was in Dallas, Texas so good amount of money.
If you’re going into any consulting company as a cloud person or devops person with more than 2 years experience, anything less than 120k isn’t acceptable if you’re a US citizen.
- Bucephalus355 8y agoAlso remote devops remotes in SF and NY that require 1 week of travel a month at most are in the 180-200k from what I’ve seen. These are the top salaries I’ve seen if you’re committed to living somewhere inexpensive like I am. This assumes 3 years+ of experience. DevOps is harder experience to get sometimes so just study cloud architecture and engineering which is similar. That whole field lends itself to self-study.
- xfitm3 8y agoAre those top salary ranges from large firms like KPMG?
- CyberDildonics 8y agoWhat is the difference between 'DevOps' and a system administrator?
- Bucephalus355 8y agoI wonder that sometimes too. I came from the sysadmin world. I was always interested in that kind of stuff (like setting up my network at home) and cloud technology made it easy to learn while I had my first job in tech support. Really I’m a “major cloud provider sysadmin” who learned a few DevOps things over a couple of months (Docker, Kubernetes, a good amount of PHP) to take jobs that offered big salaries... Cloud Architect / Engineer roles usually will pay at least 20k less than whatever has DevOps in the title.
- jfoutz 8y agoMore ruby, less bash. (Somewhat kidding)
- mschuster91 8y ago> What is the difference between 'DevOps' and a system administrator? That "DevOps" is supposed to be so easy that an ordinary full-stack developer can pick it up and there is no need for expensive senior system administrators and especially DBAs (="the cloud will handle it for us"). True: when one relies on cloud-provided databases (Amazon RDS), the need for a DBA goes down a bit, especially with a decent support contract from the cloud provider. But the other part, like how to configure a machine for maximum throughput, how to properly implement failover networking, how to do OS upgrades (and especially with Docker containers, how to keep the stuff in the images updated!) and most importantly how to write a Docker image that does not "just work" but is performant, upgradeable and doesn't place stuff around everywhere totally ignoring LSB... this needs Linux administration experience. tl;dr: companies label it "devops" to save money for Linux/DB Admins, but this gamble can really fuck up when you suddenly do need the skillset of a real admin.
- closeparen 8y agoWith a broad and crude brush: a sysadmin SSHes into a server and runs some commands to fix it. A DevOps submits a pull request against the automation software that broke it in the first place.
- Rapzid 8y agoA lot of people have their own opinions on this. Here is what I know in practice from experience. There is DevOps the practice and philosophy(think agile) in which people with software engineering and systems administration experience work on "the same team" to deliver and operate product and/or services. They form a matrix team with complimentary and overlapping skills. Then there is DevOps the team. These are typically also staffed with people who have experience in both developing and operating systems. Typically they will not work so directly with the product developers though, and they will be more focused on developer tooling, system automation, and operations. Finally there is the role DevOps. Most places envision this as a person with both systems and software development experience to work in any of the aforementioned teams. For many they were called "systems engineers" previously and simply go with the title flow. Often they are full-full-stack developers; they also work at the systems/operations level. Some places have DevOps assembly lines though, and they are staffed and run like a technical support call center.. Or a ticket mill.. You get the idea.
- uneasy-sausage 8y agoAny recommendations for someone looking to work towards more cloud experience? Study resources? Certs? Lab concepts? Currently a sys admin in a standard large microsoft server environment with VMware, DHCP, dns and AD as my typical daily tools.
- Rapzid 8y agoLearn to program and get an AWS cert. Change jobs to a role that will get you the experience you want. This may seem paradoxical, but no training is like on-the-job training. If you search around for a while you'll find somebody who you can convince that you're capable of doing the job.
- fjp 8y agoGod damn it takes a long time to get jobs like that but it's SO rewarding. I'm currently in a job that was essentially obtained through "convince someone you can do it". I think I probably viewed 30k job listings on Indeed and LinkedIn & applied to over 100 before I found the one I'm at. I didn't have the background, experience, or credentials that mean most large places won't even look at your resume, but I found a startup that needed the strange role-straddling niche I was interested in and it's amazing. I like almost every part of my job, and the org is still small enough that I can see my work have a significant impact (good and bad).
- pageald 8y agoHow does one find these high paying full time remote jobs? Most that I see with salaries listed on weworkremotely, Stack Overflow Jobs and the like top out around $150k. There are lots of non-remote jobs that pay higher than my current salary, but I don't see that many remote jobs in the $180k to $200k range.
- jorblumesea 8y agoThat is a really good salary, considering COL and taxes for Dallas.
- dbancajas 8y agoWhat's YOE?
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- jxub 8y agoYears of Experience
- Aloha 8y agoCitizenship shouldnt matter, location of work should. If someone is working in the United States, they should be paid the same as anyone else in the United States doing that same work, no matter that persons country of origin, Country of Citizenship, or visa status. (Apparently this is an unpopular opinion)
- ptd 8y agoI don’t think it’s unpopular, it’s just an unfortunate reality. An individual’s compensation is dependent on how much people with similar skills, backgrounds, and experiences will accept. Is this fair? Nope, and that’s why we have minimum wage. No matter how low the wage is, people will accept the job for the money. It would be hard(if not impossible) to implement an effective universal minimum wage for international workers, but I don’t see any other solutions.
- toweringgoat 8y agoYou don't need anything near as complex. You just need to give visa-holders (A) job mobility, (B) the right to stay in the country for some amount of time when not employed (this doesn't have to be unlimited...), and ideally (C) not lock the Visa to the employer beyond a year or two. Some countries implement the above, some don't.
- commandlinefan 8y ago> unpopular Actually, it's the law... but nobody bothers following it because nobody bothers enforcing it.
- ptd 8y agoOracle just got hit with a 400 million fine. We will see if it sticks, but it’s not fair to claim that nobody bothers enforcing it.
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- ed_balls 8y agoHow much can you save from it living in Dallas?
- solotronics 8y ago$135k Cloud Network Engineer - Dallas (mid/senior level)
- Consultant32452 8y agoAccording to salary.com a systems architect in Dallas has a median income of $118k base salary. If $140k was your base, that's good for the area, roughly in the top 10-15% eyeballing it from the salary curve. Here's mine... Base pay: $127k Real pay: $156k My location: Orlando Employer location: Phoenix Weeks vacation: 6
- Bucephalus355 8y agoThanks for the exact numbers that really helps. I will say those numbers on websites are lowered by the vast number of H1-B’s. Also Indeed is rolling out a salary estimate tool and they’ve had companies call in to complain the estimate is too low and scaring away candidates lol.
- jwally 8y agoI'll second this. I live in Dallas (130k base 30k incentive - Informal "full stack" development) and talking to head hunters 120k feels like what the market is at the moment.
- salaryFoo 8y ago$250k USD / £190k GBP UK-based devops contractor in a niche enterprise open-source technology. Long-term, sometimes remote, contracts.
- knopkop_ 8y ago> niche enterprise open-source technology I would really really like to know what this is!